Thank you for the Showdown & Shootout !!!

[LadyVR4]

I have witnessed both events. Last year I had a good time at the shootout and also at Mistubishi Day at E-town because E-town had a rain date. This year we attended the showdown. Not because I'm a Buschur hater or a Marco groupie (as a matter of fact I have the same ill feelings for both of these males), but because it was closer and E-town is a great facility. Which in turn will allow me to attend another event somewhere else to show the world the power in our DSMs.

The two events were as different as night and day. I know that a lot of people were afraid that there wasn't going to be a warm and inviting atmosphere from the big names at E-town. And that Norwalk would be more of the everyday Joe Schmo kind of people.I knew otherwise. The people I have talked to were plesently surprised at how embracing those big names people are. They are not stuck up or feel they are better then anyone else. I feel like the theme in Norwalk in the past and from what I have read on forums of this years event is more of a drinking party with cars in common (which fine if that is what you were looking for). E-town was more of a family enviornment with cars as a common link .

I don't care what went on behind the scenes or why somebody did something to someone else. That's not important. What is important is that we the DSM community were given an option. We could chose which event to attend. With the addition of the E-town event some people who couldn't get off work to drive, or that didn't have enough money to make it to Norwalk were able to share in the passion we all share.

So with that said I would like to thank Buschur and TurboTrix for taking the time and effort that it takes to put on a successful events.

Thank you to everyone that attended either event, without you all we would just be racing for ourselves, and trust me that isn't much fun. You may enjoy watching our cars but I myself enjoy meeting and talking to all of you.

I would like to give a special thank you to Keith Laforte for allowing Boost Boyz & Girlz Racing to be a part of the open house and helping to make it a memorable experience for many people.

[Turbotrix Racing]

Thank you for helping us out and catering the event. The food was great!


Keith

[MikeRizz]

Well said Sandra! Thank you to all the sponsors who organized this event! It's always a good time to meet and talk with people who have the same addiction I do, a DSM. :)

[Marco]

Mike! where were you? I am happy that the event turned out the way it did. The biggest thing that was exciting for me was seeing everybody together that I have raced i nthe past, ready for one big showdown. Everybody worked and sweated away to have their cars ready for this event, and like I said somewhere else, I really havent been that excited about racing for a long time, the local events are cool, but lining up against the best of the best of the mitsubishi world does have some bragging rights attached to it.

In the past I have enjoyed the Buschur shootout, but the fact that any 11 sec car can jump in and join at any time, kind of takes the professionalism away from the race. Not to take anything away from anybody else's car, but I want to race the cars like mine, I want to race against racecars. It evens the playing field and then there cannot be any crying or excuses. "hey my car is a street car", or "you have so much money in your car", that kind of comment, really doesn't do anything for me. But it also takes away from the victory or the loss, by looking at it from two sides of the coin, either have nothing to lose or nothing to gain. When you have 2 of the same cars racing each other, it all comes down to who wins, and there cannot be any excuses afterwards, and when we're everybody shakes hands and we look forward to lining up yet again!

Just watch out for the Double ended dildo's that we may have packed in your parachute the night before :D

[MikeRizz]

Mike! where were you?

I introduced myself to you at Turbotrix on Saturday. ;) As for racing Sunday, I was trying to get my heap to run right ( had ignition problems all day ). I was in the Street 16 but did not make the call for eliminations.

[bstoner]

Marco has "that" double ended dildo been deployed yet? I sure hope there is video!

Great Event, had a blast.

[Al Friedman]

Mike! where were you? I am happy that the event turned out the way it did. The biggest thing that was exciting for me was seeing everybody together that I have raced i nthe past, ready for one big showdown. Everybody worked and sweated away to have their cars ready for this event, and like I said somewhere else, I really havent been that excited about racing for a long time, the local events are cool, but lining up against the best of the best of the mitsubishi world does have some bragging rights attached to it.

In the past I have enjoyed the Buschur shootout, but the fact that any 11 sec car can jump in and join at any time, kind of takes the professionalism away from the race. Not to take anything away from anybody else's car, but I want to race the cars like mine, I want to race against racecars. It evens the playing field and then there cannot be any crying or excuses. "hey my car is a street car", or "you have so much money in your car", that kind of comment, really doesn't do anything for me. But it also takes away from the victory or the loss, by looking at it from two sides of the coin, either have nothing to lose or nothing to gain. When you have 2 of the same cars racing each other, it all comes down to who wins, and there cannot be any excuses afterwards, and when we're everybody shakes hands and we look forward to lining up yet again!

Just watch out for the Double ended dildo's that we may have packed in your parachute the night before :D


Marco - seriously this is all a bunch of nonsense you have written here

If you cared about racers then you would not have acted to help orgnaize an event on the same day as the DSM Shootout so that people like myself who are real racers could have raced at both events

I don't understand what you are talking about but FYI the Q16 at Ohio had no 11 second cars - in fact I ran a 9.9 and was the # 15 qualifier

A lot of low 9 second cars and one 8 second car in that event

Its time for people to put their personal issues to the side and think about our sport and racing

Al

[hal]

Its time for people to put their personal issues to the side and think about our sport and racing

You should practice what you preach, but that would rather difficult for you since you appear to be a drama queen who thrives on "issues".

Your shit talking about other shops made it easy for some people to decide which event to attend.

Now, get a life and move on.

[Dennis F]

I met a lot of people at this event and no one wanted you there Al. Stick with Buschur and his dog.

[Al Friedman]

I met a lot of people at this event and no one wanted you there Al. Stick with Buschur and his dog.

Your comments make me realize that you have no idea what racing is all about.

Hypocrite is the word that comes to mind when I see what you spew and what you say.

In any event, I think my point is clear that the racers and fans of the racing action all suffer when the two largest races of the year are held on the same day.

Anyone who refuses to see beyond their hatered and envy of others to accept this basic fact is not honest enough with themselves for me to even reason with.

Al

[Dennis F]

Anyone who refuses to see beyond their hatered and envy of others to accept this basic fact is not honest enough with themselves for me to even reason with.

Al

Envy? Are you that blind? If you even knew what envy is, then you would be able to realize it is not all about you and Buschur. Holy shit Al.

People are sick and tired of you're shit that you and the band wagoneers are slinging. It is not hate man, it is a case of enough is enough.

If the sheer amount of people who went to this event doesn't get through you're thick head, nothing will.

You say that racing is about the sport, but you yourself are a non stop shit talking gay fest of epic per portions.

No one wants you there Al, at least no one I talked too anyway. This also goes for mentor as well not wanting anybody who went to this event to ever go to a shoot out again. So grow the fuck up you 2 faced sally ass and start to realize people also frequent other boards and read shit you talk.:asshole2:

[hal]

Anyone who refuses to see beyond their hatered and envy of others to accept this basic fact is not honest enough with themselves for me to even reason with.

So speaks the person who called Englishtown to try and get the event canceled or the date changed.

So speaks the person who threatened to call the NHRA in an attempt to do the same thing.

So speaks the person who talks shit, time after time, about other shops and competitors.

You lack credibility, so get a life and move on.

[Al Friedman]

Envy? Are you that blind? If you even knew what envy is, then you would be able to realize it is not all about you and Buschur. Holy shit Al.

People are sick and tired of you're shit that you and the band wagoneers are slinging. It is not hate man, it is a case of enough is enough.

If the sheer amount of people who went to this event doesn't get through you're thick head, nothing will.

You say that racing is about the sport, but you yourself are a non stop shit talking gay fest of epic per portions.

No one wants you there Al, at least no one I talked too anyway. This also goes for mentor as well not wanting anybody who went to this event to ever go to a shoot out again. So grow the fuck up you 2 faced sally ass and start to realize people also frequent other boards and read shit you talk.:asshole2:


Your civil and educated manner of expressing yourself is really impressive.

The sport of DSM racing does not have to be divided between two groups who are mustally exclusive.

Those who are real racers as opposed to internet posters will want to have as many competitors at an event as possible to raise the bar of competition.

I would like you to advance one logical rational to support why having two events on the same day is good for racers or the fans.

Al

[Al Friedman]

So speaks the person who called Englishtown to try and get the event canceled or the date changed.

So speaks the person who threatened to call the NHRA in an attempt to do the same thing.

So speaks the person who talks shit, time after time, about other shops and competitors.

You lack credibility, so get a life and move on.

So speaks the person who took many actions to do what ever could be done to talk some sense into the parties involved - period.

Personally, I would have been much happier to have had the race on two seperate days so I could have also gave the guys in NJ a smack down like I did to most of the guys in Ohio. After all I am a racer and racing is what I do.

Al

[hal]

I would like you to advance one logical rational to support why having two events on the same day is good for racers or the fans.


To give some people a place to go on that date.

You know, the ones that Buschur banned from a so called community event.

You know, the ones you alienated by your constant bashing.

[Al Friedman]

So speaks the person who called Englishtown to try and get the event canceled or the date changed.

So speaks the person who threatened to call the NHRA in an attempt to do the same thing.

So speaks the person who talks shit, time after time, about other shops and competitors.

You lack credibility, so get a life and move on.

Can you advance one logical and rational reason why it benefits racers or fans to have the two events on the same day ?

[hal]

After all I am a racer and racing is what I do.

No, you're a troll that talks shit about other shops and competitors.

Oh, and it drove the payouts at the shootout up... didn't it :D

[Al Friedman]

To give some people a place to go on that date.

You know, the ones that Buschur banned from a so called community event.

You know, the ones you alienated by your constant bashing.

So you are saying that these reasons justify to split of the pool of fans and racers and make everyone choose between one or the other event ?

To give some people a place to go - (ok a hand full of guys can serve their own selfish interest at the expense of several hundred who would have otherwise attended both events and made each of of them more successful)?

MY CONSTANT BASHING ? Do you guys read some of the insults and vile name calling you have made in this very thread? Where have I bashed anyone? You and the other guys are hypocites.

Al

[Al Friedman]

No, you're a troll that talks shit about other shops and competitors.

Oh, and it drove the payouts at the shootout up... didn't it :D

It seems to me that the only person talking any shit here is you and your pal.

Troll - what racing did you do on August 16 and how much success did you have?

I have attended all the TT evenjt days in NJ up till this week and usally won them of placed in the top 2 and the same with the events in Ohio since 2003. results and actions speak louder than insults and hot air my friend.

Al

[hal]

I didn't race because finances didn't permit me to make the trip to Englishtown. In 2007, I actually opened my checkbook to sponsor a class for an entire series. I'm not a shop, I got nothing out of it except the satisfaction of giving guys a series to race in.

Regardless, of where I went (or didn't) doesn't change the fact that you chose to interject yourself into this thread.

Consequently, you're getting the welcome you deserve.

Oh, EVOM and Bushur's forums are littered with examples of you bashing other shops and competitors.

Is it good for racing and fans to have shops at each others throats, to the point where they aren't even welcome to attend the same events?

Come down off your high horse. What happened, happened... but actions like yours are what led up to it.

[Dennis F]

I would like you to advance one logical rational to support why having two events on the same day is good for racers or the fans.

Al

One good reason is that no one would have had to listen to you talk.

Another reason is that there was NO TENSION between any of the countless shops that showed up against 1 shop.

Al, you deserve every insult you get. You made you're own bed now it is time to lie in it. You continue to spread lies about this event and cry like a 2 year old who just lost his mickey mouse doll.

I am sure the SO was a huge success and I really hope it continues to do so. I however wanted to go to a place where I would be welcomed and not worry about someone starting a fight with me because I don't want to blow his dog or any of the other amigo's.

You will continue to steal my air as you talk more shit and I have come to grips with it, but make no mistake junior, you would not have cleaned up anything at this event except urine.

At any given point, I could talk to anyone, any vendor without any worries and I did. I got to talk to Craig from Sparktech for a few and he was a hell of a guy, I have talked to you before and you were a complete douche, and it seems nothing changes.

Not to take away from Dave, but look at the Rolodex of vendors at the Showdown, don't you think there is a reason for that?

[Dennis F]

Please just go back to the Buschur forums, misspell some shit and insult everyone over there with you're very small fanbase

[Marco]

Marco - seriously this is all a bunch of nonsense you have written here

If you cared about racers then you would not have acted to help orgnaize an event on the same day as the DSM Shootout so that people like myself who are real racers could have raced at both events

I don't understand what you are talking about but FYI the Q16 at Ohio had no 11 second cars - in fact I ran a 9.9 and was the # 15 qualifier

A lot of low 9 second cars and one 8 second car in that event

Its time for people to put their personal issues to the side and think about our sport and racing

Al

That is why with a few phone calls we got 16 people to pony up 500 bucks for a chance to race one another, coming from all sides of the country with the most impressive Mitsubishi lineup ever produced. You didn't show up cause you didn't have enough. Unlike you everybody else put their money where their mouth is, and had a great time. You wanna cry or you wanna race? Put the money down and show up next time, sissy, we'll make sure the dates don't conflict with your next teabagging appointment, you nuthugger.

[LadyVR4]

This is not what this thread was supposed to be about. It is a "Thank you" thread for which ever one you went to. Not a "screw you" thread for the one you didn't attend. I don't think that having them both on the same day had that much of an impact on each event. I think eveyone that went to Ohio were happy with the event and I KNOW that everyone at E-town were happy with where they chose to go.

So bash each other in another tread please. And lets keep this thread positive.

[Al Friedman]

One good reason is that no one would have had to listen to you talk.

Another reason is that there was NO TENSION between any of the countless shops that showed up against 1 shop.

Al, you deserve every insult you get. You made you're own bed now it is time to lie in it. You continue to spread lies about this event and cry like a 2 year old who just lost his mickey mouse doll.

I am sure the SO was a huge success and I really hope it continues to do so. I however wanted to go to a place where I would be welcomed and not worry about someone starting a fight with me because I don't want to blow his dog or any of the other amigo's.

You will continue to steal my air as you talk more shit and I have come to grips with it, but make no mistake junior, you would not have cleaned up anything at this event except urine.

At any given point, I could talk to anyone, any vendor without any worries and I did. I got to talk to Craig from Sparktech for a few and he was a hell of a guy, I have talked to you before and you were a complete douche, and it seems nothing changes.

Not to take away from Dave, but look at the Rolodex of vendors at the Showdown, don't you think there is a reason for that?


I think your so deep inside your disorted version of reality that you fail to grasp the concept of having races so that racers can attend.

We'll see what happens next year.

Al

[Al Friedman]

This is not what this thread was supposed to be about. It is a "Thank you" thread for which ever one you went to. Not a "screw you" thread for the one you didn't attend. I don't think that having them both on the same day had that much of an impact on each event. I think eveyone that went to Ohio were happy with the event and I KNOW that everyone at E-town were happy with where they chose to go.

So bash each other in another tread please. And lets keep this thread positive.

I agree with what you have said, however, it stands to reason that the fans and the racers would benefit from a CHOICE to either attend one of these races or both of them. Personally, as an Ohio participant I missed seeing the Boost Boys team.

Sometimes, people become so filled with hate and anger that they can no longer open their minds to reason and this is one of those situations

I have nothing negative to say about anyone here, I am just making the observation that I would prefer that these events are scheduled ion such a manner so I can attend both.

As to the two hostile and delusional NON RACERS here who are the ones slinging the dirt, its not even worth my effort to get on their level.

Al

[Al Friedman]

That is why with a few phone calls we got 16 people to pony up 500 bucks for a chance to race one another, coming from all sides of the country with the most impressive Mitsubishi lineup ever produced. You didn't show up cause you didn't have enough. Unlike you everybody else put their money where their mouth is, and had a great time. You wanna cry or you wanna race? Put the money down and show up next time, sissy, we'll make sure the dates don't conflict with your next teabagging appointment, you nuthugger.

Marco. I am a racer and I perfer to let my past history of proven results at each of these events speak for itself. I have all my trophies from these events lined up in my basement, I have dominated the NJ event since it started. If you think the reason I chose to Ohio to face the fastest Evo to run this year (Mike @ AWD) in the Q16 along with a group of really fast DSM's of various type becuase I am "a sissy" I think you are really confused.

I am not the kind of guy who is going to start slandering racers who have elected to attend one event or the other.

BTW - I did think it was kind of cool that I paid only $35 to enter and collected $1500 cash.

All the best - just keep being yourself.

Al

[Uncle]

This is not what this thread was supposed to be about. It is a "Thank you" thread for which ever one you went to. Not a "screw you" thread for the one you didn't attend. I don't think that having them both on the same day had that much of an impact on each event. I think eveyone that went to Ohio were happy with the event and I KNOW that everyone at E-town were happy with where they chose to go.

So bash each other in another tread please. And lets keep this thread positive.

This does seem to be a thank you thread the way I see it.
Thanks for a great event in e-town, the comments from this Al guy says to me that I also owe a thank you to everyone for holding this event on the Buscher weekend so I didnt have to go there!
See you all next year in E-town on the same day as Buschers event again.... I hope!

[Marco]

BTW Al Friedman, I thought it was cool that I got to pay 1000 dollars to sponsor an event where I didn't have to see you. So whats it gonna cost me to get you to stay out of this thread and STFU?

[Kiggly]

I feel like the theme in Norwalk in the past and from what I have read on forums of this years event is more of a drinking party with cars in common (which fine if that is what you were looking for). E-town was more of a family enviornment with cars as a common link .

I agree with this as well. E-town appeared a little more mellow than the shootout has been over the past few years. Either way has its ups and downs. I missed some of the things that go on annually at Norwalk and Wakeman, but still had a great time at E-town. I was very glad to hear that Norwalk was a successful event, but I had no doubt it would have great attendance as well.

Sandra, it was great meeting you briefly and also talking with Shawn over the weekend. You really out-did yourself with the BBQ. The chicken was fantastic and the beans were 'slap your momma for a plate' good. Also the 'just a lil 14b' t-shirt was genius.

Kevin

[Turbotrix Racing]

BTW - I did think it was kind of cool that I paid only $35 to enter and collected $1500 cash.


Al

And where was this money the past years? :rolleyes: Funny thing is that Dave already stated that next year the payouts will be back to what they were in the past.

Keith

[hal]

I hear that if you weren't a vendor at the Shooutout this year, you're going to have to pay to attend as a vendor next year.

[ToddBridges]

I find it interesting that David is already calling the promoters of this event liars.


<From Buschur's Site>
"We had 1798 spectators, 164 racers and 56 vendors/comp admissions. Total of 2018 people on the grounds. Keep this in mind when reading inflated numbers from other events where it's hard to find a picture of more than 10 people standing in a picture."

Classy as always I see.

Does anyone who went to the event have pictures of the stands/crowds/parking lots so those of us who didn't go can see for ourselves?

It's also nice to see that someone's panties are obviously up in a bunch after this year's "record" turnout at his Shootout and he's already telling people not to come next year if they went to Englishtown this year.

<From Buschur's Site>
"**Anyone who attended/organized the E-town event WITH ill feelings towards the Ohio race/Buschur Racing in 2009, PLEASE do us all a favor and do not return to Ohio, it was very peaceful without you and we'd like to keep it that way. You were not missed and won't be missed in the future either."

Didn't we already have this discussion about him banning people and then him saying that "Everyone is welcome"? I guess the old Buschur is alive and well after all. :gives:

[Al Friedman]

BTW Al Friedman, I thought it was cool that I got to pay 1000 dollars to sponsor an event where I didn't have to see you. So whats it gonna cost me to get you to stay out of this thread and STFU?

Your a really classy guy and a great represntation for this forum.

Al

[Al Friedman]

And where was this money the past years? :rolleyes: Funny thing is that Dave already stated that next year the payouts will be back to what they were in the past.

Keith

I have always recieved very generous payouts at Ohio - but in reality the money is not a motivating factor for me in going to race.

The most important thing for me in racing is good competition and comradery with fellow racers - period.

The slim chance to win a few hundred one way or the other is not going to motovate me to loose time from work and travel and spend money on entry fees and race gas. Its racing that drives me to the track for these kind of events.

Everyone knows the real motivations and rational behind Marco and your actions this year.

My point has been and remains that having two events on two different days gives everyone a choice and which ones to attend. Having them on the same day forces people to make a choice on one race and that means that people who would have raced both are loosing out and so are the fans who would have seen better competition and more racers.

Al

[hal]

Having them on the same day forces people to make a choice on one race and that means that people who would have raced both are loosing out and so are the fans who would have seen better competition and more racers.

That only applies to those that live close enough (or can afford) to make the trip to both events. Which is probably a MINORITY of the event attendees.

For everyone else, they still have to choose which one to go to.

[ToddBridges]

Your a really classy guy and a great represntation for this forum.

Al

I'd be happy to chip in towards next year's "Pay Al not to show up" sponsorship.

$1000 is a lot of money, but hey, maybe if we all pitched in, we could afford to send him to an all-you-can-eat buffet for "Buffons" <sic>.

We'd have to put part of that money towards finger muzzles though so that we wouldn't have to listen to his incessant whining again afterwards though.

[hal]

... or buy him a pair of suspenders!

[Turbotrix Racing]

The most important thing for me in racing is good competition and comradery with fellow racers - period.

Al

If you read the posts about our event that was the main thing that everyone was talking about. The Showdown had just that. Good competition and a friendly atmosphere.

Keith

[Turbotrix Racing]

Our event went on as planned and was a great success despite all your crying and complaining. Next year will be even bigger and better.

Keith

[Marco]

Al, so how much s it gonna cost? I still hear a lot of whining and no negotiating yet.

[Dennis F]

I think your so deep inside your disorted version of reality that you fail to grasp the concept of having races so that racers can attend.

We'll see what happens next year.

Al

You're not a racer, you're an asshole, get it right

Maybe you have a mozzarella stick stuck in your left side of the brain, but no one wants you around this group. You're constant whining and crying about 2 races where no one wanted you around is old.

Suck it up Al, you fucked up enough people's cars with you're 8 tuning method that word is out bro. You have a good thing going with you're friends in Ohio, stay there.

You fucked up enough shit in the past 6 years where it has caught up with you. It is time to go.

I will also chip in to the leave Al behind class.

[PC Talon]

Sandra,
I did not get a chance to meet you. But I did meet Shawn when he was working with Josh on the transmission. Glad you guys made it up, and I am jealous I did not get a chance to grab some food, to busy working the booth.
It was nice to meet so many people, just like I used to when heading out to Norwalk. Looking forward to next summer as well.

Al,
Thanks for ruining a nice thread.

Where do we send the "Keep Al away from the Showdown" donations to?

[ToddBridges]

This thread is hilarious at this point--especially if you read Buschur's forms.

Must have scared the little guy as he and his cronies have literally 100s of "Fuck The Showdown" threads and how all the cars are slow (Funny that Al ran his mouth about Dogbox's Evo not running shit and from what I've heard they ran pretty damn good), etc.

This (according to Mr. Boo-sure) is the "Hater Forum" along with "NABR", yet his forum is almost dedicated to putting down the "Showdown" and everyone on this forum and "NABR", while little mention of the Shootout occur on here, and even fewer negative posts about his "Shootout" and Mr. Buschur until this fat, classless, limp-dicked (not that he'd be able to see it anyway), nutswinger, "Alf" show up and runs his mouth.

Talk about throwing boulders in a glass hut.

[aaronsbig16g]

In my video I have dogbox running a 9.0, they made it to the semis I do believe.

[Turbotrix Racing]

This thread is hilarious at this point--especially if you read Buschur's forms.

Must have scared the little guy as he and his cronies have literally 100s of "Fuck The Showdown" threads and how all the cars are slow (Funny that Al ran his mouth about Dogbox's Evo not running shit and from what I've heard they ran pretty damn good), etc.

This (according to Mr. Boo-sure) is the "Hater Forum" along with "NABR", yet his forum is almost dedicated to putting down the "Showdown" and everyone on this forum and "NABR", while little mention of the Shootout occur on here, and even fewer negative posts about his "Shootout" and Mr. Buschur until this fat, classless, limp-dicked (not that he'd be able to see it anyway), nutswinger, "Alf" show up and runs his mouth.

Talk about throwing boulders in a glass hut.

You would be angry too if you went 9.9 in 2005 and four years and few hundred hp later you were running 9.7's. :o:)


Keith

[Al Friedman]

Al, so how much s it gonna cost? I still hear a lot of whining and no negotiating yet.

There is no negotiation

I am a racer and I will attend any and all races which have race classes for AWD platforms

The way it seems - I will continue to excell in that form or racing as I have done for the last 7 years with proven results

This was supposed to be a tech forum and a place for inteligent dialouge. It seems clear to me based upon the level of diatribe on this forum that this is one of the worst if no the worst, ironic.

Al

[Al Friedman]

You would be angry too if you went 9.9 in 2005 and four years and few hundred hp later you were running 9.7's. :o:)


Keith

Acutally, I am very happy

As you know I was the first to go 9's without NOS and the first on a Gt35 in 2005

In that time the car has gone through a lot of transformations - right now its making exactlty 100 mph whp from when it went 9.98 @138 4 years ago and now its went 9.7 3 times in a row - deadly consistant and reliable to advance to the final of the Buschur Q16

Since I have never seen you guys ever have a consistantly running race car - ever I would think you would have more respect and appreciation for my demonstration of a realiable car last week.

I remind you that my car is a 3100 lbs car with driver and saftey gear and has a full steel body, interior and wind up glass windows. Not a gutted sardine can like your cars.

Al

[MikeRizz]

This was supposed to be a tech forum and a place for inteligent dialouge. It seems clear to me based upon the level of diatribe on this forum that this is one of the worst if no the worst, ironic.

Al

Ok, I'll bite. I did not see any diatribe until you came into this thread and started shit. I am trying to be impartial here, but you jumped into a E-town Showdown thread and didn't think there would be backlash? Personally I think a Mod should delete all the bullshit in this thread. It was started to thank the sponsors and for that alone.

[hal]

I would think you would have more respect and appreciation for my demonstration of a realiable car last week.

"We never respect those who amuse us, however we may smile at their comic powers"

- Marguerite Gardiner

[Boostjunki84]

I find it interesting that David is already calling the promoters of this event liars.


<From Buschur's Site>
"We had 1798 spectators, 164 racers and 56 vendors/comp admissions. Total of 2018 people on the grounds. Keep this in mind when reading inflated numbers from other events where it's hard to find a picture of more than 10 people standing in a picture."

Classy as always I see.

Does anyone who went to the event have pictures of the stands/crowds/parking lots so those of us who didn't go can see for ourselves?

It's also nice to see that someone's panties are obviously up in a bunch after this year's "record" turnout at his Shootout and he's already telling people not to come next year if they went to Englishtown this year.

<From Buschur's Site>
"**Anyone who attended/organized the E-town event WITH ill feelings towards the Ohio race/Buschur Racing in 2009, PLEASE do us all a favor and do not return to Ohio, it was very peaceful without you and we'd like to keep it that way. You were not missed and won't be missed in the future either."

Didn't we already have this discussion about him banning people and then him saying that "Everyone is welcome"? I guess the old Buschur is alive and well after all. :gives:

Tell David it's easy to find pictures if you just look.

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk314/snowborder714/2009%20Showdown%20at%20Englishtown/IMG_7560.jpg

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk314/snowborder714/2009%20Showdown%20at%20Englishtown/IMG_7559.jpg

[logic]

Cool, I hadn't seen any good pictures of the parking lot; by the time my heat-soaked brain had the bright idea to get up in the stands and take a picture, quite a few people had cleared out already.

The stands looked pretty good too (both taken during a bit of a lull; there were quite a few folks out in the parking lot when I snapped these):

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2464/3854065830_5a812eafe1_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/edward_marshall/3854065830/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2436/3853279083_62a03ab4ca_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/edward_marshall/3853279083/)

Overall, it was a great time. I'll echo the others here thanking the event organizers for a fantastic event, in spite of the ungodly heat. :D

[hal]

<From Buschur's Site>
"We had 1798 spectators, 164 racers and 56 vendors/comp admissions. Total of 2018 people on the grounds. "

So does this mean the Showdown had a larger turn out than the Shootout?

[Dennis F]

No Hal, according to Mike@awd, he had first hand knowledge (while at the SO) that we are all lying about the turnout and no one ever ran a fast time, ever.

There was like 4 racers there, all 4 broke and etown closed it's doors way early because everyone knows the only event that happened was the SO

Al, wow. you made a whole 3 passes. Bushcur powah BRO. It is only a matter of time till you blow up another motor or some other part and make a video of it.

Please, take you're bromance back to the Buschur forum and make a thread about why e-town event sucked. It was horrible and I can't wait till next year because it sucked so bad.

Please don't ever show up there. God I hate you're bitchy ass. You're worse then a 5 year old girl

[Al Friedman]

No Hal, according to Mike@awd, he had first hand knowledge (while at the SO) that we are all lying about the turnout and no one ever ran a fast time, ever.

There was like 4 racers there, all 4 broke and etown closed it's doors way early because everyone knows the only event that happened was the SO

Al, wow. you made a whole 3 passes. Bushcur powah BRO. It is only a matter of time till you blow up another motor or some other part and make a video of it.

Please, take you're bromance back to the Buschur forum and make a thread about why e-town event sucked. It was horrible and I can't wait till next year because it sucked so bad.

Please don't ever show up there. God I hate you're bitchy ass. You're worse then a 5 year old girl


To set the records straight

My beef was simply that an event which I had previously attended and also helped promote and organize was purposely scheduled on the same day as another previously scheduled and long standing event

My reason for the objection was based on two rationals

1 - The racers would be divided and lower the quality of competition at both events

2 - The overall attendance would be lower at each event than if they were on seperate days

It seems that you and a few of the other haters on here have some mental and emotional issues which preclude you from accepting reality - to each his own

On a seperate issue - FYI - I made a total of 7 (SEVEN) passes in reaching the final of this years DSM Shootout Q16. Also, the motor that is in my car has been in service in the car for 14 months straight.

Thanks as always for your negative, profane and abusive remarks.

PS - if any of you want to come and express these thoughts to me in person - I invite you any time - 700 Canal Street - 3rd Fl, Stamford, CT 06902. Lets save the big talk for when you come down to visit me and don't let you alligator mouth write a check that your humming bird ass can't cash.

Any moron can make insults and call people names from behind a key board on the internet. Talk is cheap.

This forum is a real dissapointment, its high asprirations to be a tech only forum and be better have proven to be only pipe dreams and this is about the worst pile of crap I have seen.

[hal]

This forum is a real dissapointment, its high asprirations to be a tech only forum and be better have proven to be only pipe dreams and this is about the worst pile of crap I have seen.

That's a common theme often encountered when people realize they don't get a pass on their conduct because of who they are or what they have done.

You (and some others) should reflect on what has transpired over the last couple of years. The fact that the Showdown wasn't the flop that some expected/hoped it would be should be taken as a clear signal.

A signal that given a choice, a large number of DSM enthusiasts would go some where other than the Shootout.

As to why, well I'm sure you already know why.

[bstoner]

Ok, I'll bite. I did not see any diatribe until you came into this thread and started shit. I am trying to be impartial here, but you jumped into a E-town Showdown thread and didn't think there would be backlash? Personally I think a Mod should delete all the bullshit in this thread. It was started to thank the sponsors and for that alone.


Here Here Mike, I noticed the same thing. I dont know you personally Al and I do my best to stay neutral as well. A Few observations from me (not that anyone cares)

1. The SO in Ohio had record attendance so obviously it didnt hurt attendance by having both events on the same day

2. I KNOW the competition in E-town was great, and from what everyone says that went to the SO says it was great competition there as well!

3. Shops ponied up big dollars this year and gave back to the racers at both races, maybe that will help get more people interested in drag racing competitively with our cars.

4. There has already been talk of the Showdown being later in the year to avoid the heat so these events most likely will be on different days next year, this years event IS OVER, cant change when it happened now so why keep whining about it!

5. I have seen very very little to no bashing from people that went to NJ towards the Shootout, I have seen a lot NJ bashing from people that went to Ohio.

5. Sandra thanks for cooking that awesome food it was fantastic, I will hunt you down at any event you cook at and beg for more:)

[LadyVR4]

Thank you for the compliment. It's just what I love to do. If someone will eat I will cook. I'll make you a deal... Come to MIR for the World Cup Finals
and you won't have to beg for a plate, I will gladly feed you all weekend.
www.mirworldcupfinals.com

[bstoner]

:) Thanks that makes the trip tempting. I looked over their website I think I would be WAY out classed at that race unless I get different tires. It looks like an awesome event though!

[Marco]

There is no negotiation

I am a racer and I will attend any and all races which have race classes for AWD platforms

The way it seems - I will continue to excell in that form or racing as I have done for the last 7 years with proven results

This was supposed to be a tech forum and a place for inteligent dialouge. It seems clear to me based upon the level of diatribe on this forum that this is one of the worst if no the worst, ironic.

Al

DID YOU REALLY JUST SPELL IT "inteligent dialouge" ? You are an idiot.

Maybe you can "excell" in a spelling bee somewhere too.

[Marco]

To set the records straight


PS - if any of you want to come and express these thoughts to me in person - I invite you any time - 700 Canal Street - 3rd Fl, Stamford, CT 06902. Lets save the big talk for when you come down to visit me and don't let you alligator mouth write a check that your humming bird ass can't cash.

Any moron can make insults and call people names from behind a key board on the internet. Talk is cheap.



Wow you talk a mean game Mister Friedman, I'll tell you what, why don't we just ask Javier, how many shades of white and red you turned when he confronted you in the office of E-town, and you nearly passed out because you thought you were going to meet your end. Talk is Cheap and you do the most of it.

[Uncle]

This forum is a real dissapointment, its high asprirations to be a tech only forum and be better have proven to be only pipe dreams and this is about the worst pile of crap I have seen.


Every forum has and needs a little drama I suppose. Thanks for contributing to it at your expense Al, as you keep coming back for more licks. Funny thing is Ive never met you but laugh at you with great sympathy. I truly believe you are a loser. You are doing more harm than good for yourself. Thanks for helping promote the forum as there are many new people coming here to laugh at your silly antics. Stick around, it'll be fun.

[Spark Tech]

I totally enjoyed the Showdown. What I find very interesting is WE at the Showdown didn't have TIME OR the DESIRE to talk about ANY other race....NO need for insulting t-shirts...no need for whining... NO need for insulting racers or their cars....NO need for Dodge vipers...Pontiac G8's...no rotaries to make our event appear to have a good field of racers. What we had was the Baddest 4g63's on the planet..bar none.

I was personally threatened when i inquired about vendor space at the 08' shootout in ohio We wanted to attend and support a race with the family and some of you know and met my 10yr old son mini Craig:) and wife Kav@sparktech at the showdown. This was a family event and it was a pretty easy decision to support this event and I will do so again year after year.

It was a pleasure meeting and getting to hang out with such a Great bunch of guys/gals. We look forward to next years event.;)

I'd also like to mention we were proud that Our Ignition systems were on 2nd and 3rd place finishers as well as the Highest mph of the event. However there were several cars with other Ignition systems that performed well and I talked to them and hung out with them without ANY Ill feelings. You don't have to run our system to get recognition that these were the baddest 4g63 machines PERIOD.

[Al Friedman]

Thank you for the compliment. It's just what I love to do. If someone will eat I will cook. I'll make you a deal... Come to MIR for the World Cup Finals
and you won't have to beg for a plate, I will gladly feed you all weekend.
www.mirworldcupfinals.com

What class of racing is there for Evo / DSM there ?

[Al Friedman]

Wow you talk a mean game Mister Friedman, I'll tell you what, why don't we just ask Javier, how many shades of white and red you turned when he confronted you in the office of E-town, and you nearly passed out because you thought you were going to meet your end. Talk is Cheap and you do the most of it.

Marco - seriously my man, you are a dillusional individual. Your are saying that I thought that Javier the employee of Raceway Park was going to kill me in the office of E'town when I went there to get my driver's wrist band ? You are saying that my fear of him taking action to "meet my end" caused me to change colors? All I can tell you Marco is that you have #1 a Big fucking mouth for a little prick and #2 a very active imagination.

It seems you have a lot of time for silly high school gossip with your pals.

What ever is all I can say.

Al

[Al Friedman]

Every forum has and needs a little drama I suppose. Thanks for contributing to it at your expense Al, as you keep coming back for more licks. Funny thing is Ive never met you but laugh at you with great sympathy. I truly believe you are a loser. You are doing more harm than good for yourself. Thanks for helping promote the forum as there are many new people coming here to laugh at your silly antics. Stick around, it'll be fun.

< < < < < < < Post count for member Uncle - 76 ?

Is this what you guys call a tech forum ?

It seems like a shame when your entire contribution to the great tech wisdom is a paultry 76 posts and yet you find time to engage in this stupidity.

I am realizing that the core group here is very far up Magnus's ass and they will not see reality.

However, with that said I am sure that others will read this and hearing a divergant opinion will spark some critical and inteligent thought on the subject.

At the end of the day I am a racer and to me its a real shame to see that there was only ONE major DSM event this year instead of 3

(remembert that they also combined the WRX vs EVO event into the Turbo Trixs Event)

Combine this fact with the demise of the NHRA and NOPI drag racing and also the apparent decline of the IDRC and as a racer I am left with not much opportunity at racing my car.

Al

[hal]

I am left with not much opportunity at racing my car.

Cause and effect.

Piss enough people off and see what happens.

They stop caring about the things you care about, so they stop participating, which dilutes your opportunities... both in quality and quantity.

Crying about it here won't change the root cause.

To do that, you'll have to go talk to you know who.

[Al Friedman]

Cause and effect.

Piss enough people off and see what happens.

They stop caring about the things you care about, so they stop participating, which dilutes your opportunities... both in quality and quantity.

Crying about it here won't change the root cause.

To do that, you'll have to go talk to you know who.

Hal, much of what you said here ignores the facts and the reality of the situation

The truth is that there was up till last year several events on different days for racing Evos

WRX vs Evo Shootout in NJ

WRX vs Evo SHootout in Ohio - changed to a all import event

Turbo Trix Mitsu Day in NJ

DSM Shootout in Ohio

3 of the largest and most important events this year all were mereged into 2 events on the same day which meant that anyone with a DSM or Evo is now nut down to one major race opportunity this year from a previous 3 or 4

At the end of the day, when I return from my current tuning trip I am going to make effort once again to contact all parties involved and encourage everyone for the good of the sport to hold the events on seperate days

My motivation is becuase I want to have as many chances to race my car as possible - period

Those who want to go to one event or the other out of personal preference are certainly welcome - as a true racer I will attend all events regardless of who is sponsoring them and regardless of how much of an asshole they can be on the internet

I am sure that any rational and objective person will admit that this Magus charcater is every bit the asshole and loud mouthed jerk that Buschur is claimed to be

Al

[hal]

No, it clearly demonstrates the realities of the situation.

Shit on enough people, often enough, and eventually they will all get together and return the favor.

The message has been sent and received.

The interpretation, thus far, appears not be be grounded in reality.

[4g63rwd]

What class of racing is there for Evo / DSM there ?

Al,
Check the rules for Street Fighter, Wild Street, and True Street and see where your car (and any other cars you might bring) would fit in.


www.mirworldcupfinals.com

[Al Friedman]

No, it clearly demonstrates the realities of the situation.

Shit on enough people, often enough, and eventually they will all get together and return the favor.

The message has been sent and received.

The interpretation, thus far, appears not be be grounded in reality.

My read on this is that Magnus and Turbo Trixs have allowed their personal vendetta against Buschur to overflow into actions which effect the entire sport

Love Buschur or hate him, you need to accecpt the fact that since 2003 Buschur does not go anywhere to race except his own local tracks. Putting other events on the same day as his event does not reduce HIS opportunities for racing as its clear that he would not and has not gone to NJ for any of the TT events.

Putting the two events on the same day fucks everyone from the racers to the fans for the reasons that I have advanced several times previously.

To me it would have been enough to have simply made an effort to organize a boycott of the Ohio race and offer and promote an alternative - that type of action would serve to advance the interests of those who disagree or do not support Buschur and do not wish to attend his race

By intentionally placing the NJ event on the same day they went too far and IMHO caused a lot of uneeded collateral damage to the racing community

Simply put I feel their action was selfish and did not consider the good of the sport and the general community

Al

[Al Friedman]

Al,
Check the rules for Street Fighter, Wild Street, and True Street and see where your car (and any other cars you might bring) would fit in.


www.mirworldcupfinals.com

Looks like a great race - I'll try and attend

[hal]

My read on this is that Magnus and Turbo Trixs have allowed their personal vendetta against Buschur to overflow into actions which effect the entire sport

Don't over inflate things.

The Shootout and the Showdown, in the grand scheme of drag racing, aren't even blips on the radar.

While you continue to blame Magnus and T/T you continue to ignore the fact that their actions are a direct response to how they were being treated.

Now add to the mix the number of competitors that attended the Showdown and you have a "community" that is saying enough is enough.

Call it a vendetta if you like, but what's done is done.

Crying about it will change nothing.

[Dennis F]

Love Buschur or hate him, you need to accecpt the fact that since 2003 Buschur does not go anywhere to race except his own local tracks. Putting other events on the same day as his event does not reduce HIS opportunities for racing as its clear that he would not and has not gone to NJ for any of the TT events.

The world does not revolve around David Buschur and the SO. Why do you not understand this?

Simply put I feel their action was selfish and did not consider the good of the sport and the general community
Al

Banning someone from a community event is not selfish? Banning vendors and people who went to the Showdown 09 for the 2010 SO is not selfish?

C'mahn BRO. 3000 people clearly shows that there needs to be another event and that it is justified.

Look how many people turned out for it, do you really think it is a fluke?

[hal]

Simply put I feel their action was selfish and did not consider the good of the sport and the general community

Keep this thought in mind next time you create a you tube video that trashes someone or next time you make/read a post that trashes a competitor.

Ask yourself, is this good for the sport or the community.

[Public Enema]

Al,
Hi.
Shutup.
Thanks.

[David Buschur]

I read this thread a few days ago and was going to respond in it but since it was started as a thank you for the event I didn't, I didn't want to get a bunch of crap started in it. Since it's trashed at this point I have just a few things to say.

#1, Boostjunki84, the pictures you posted in post #51 clearly show the event was busy, I had not seen those pics and obviously neither did a few supporters of the event because the post after yours or maybe a few after yours said they had never seen them either. Based on your pictures I deleted the comments on our forums about how big the E-town event was. If you look at all the other pictures posted you will see the same thing most of us did, small amounts of people in the stands and staging lanes/pits.

#2, Dennis F, you can't read and you are an ignorant problem starting faggot. Here is what you just posted a few posts up:

"Banning someone from a community event is not selfish? Banning vendors and people who went to the Showdown 09 for the 2010 SO is not selfish?"

NOWHERE have I said anyone is banned, quite the opposite, I said NOBODY is banned and only one guy ever was and that was when Marco and I were at each others throats. Poor move on my part, what's done is done. Fact of the matter is shit was talked at the E-town event as I had customers there who said they were afraid to even leave their cars out in the open over night because of it. Fact is some shops joined together with one thought on their mind, to ruin the DSM/EVO Shootout and make the event at E-town. I can live with that but they will not come to the Shootout and be a vendor for free. In the past I have ALWAYS charged for vendor space, this year was different because of the competing events. Next year is back to normal with the excpetion of people who supported us this year get grandfathered in for free next year. Like it or not, I don't care.

#3, I personally could care less if the two events are on the same day BUT because there are plenty of guys who would like to attend both races, like Al, Mike, Kiggly etc., for their sake, I hope they are not. For me personally, it was a relief to not see people I'd like to see dead in Ohio, they obviously feel the same way about me and it made things much more peaceful. Great for those of us who hate each other.

#4, so it's clear again, I had NOTHING to do with the T-shirts. Actually, that's not true, I did have something to do with them. The guy who designed them had Calvin pissing on Turbo Trix. Mark PM'd me crying about it and asked me to get rid of them. I did contact the guy and ask for him to not put Turbo Trix on the shirt, so he changed them. As you guys said, if you do enough shit to people long enough you can expect that to come around. That is what happened with the shirts, the organizers of the event pissed off a lot of people. It's much bigger than myself, Al, Mike or anyone else who has complained about the events being on the same day. It's obviously about 5,000 people (combined attendance) having a feeling one way or another about the events and who put them on. Same thing with the videos from the hotels with large crowds of people chanting "fuck E-town", the organizers of the E-town event pissed off a lot of people. Take it from me, you piss someone off and act like an asshole, you can expect retaliation!haha I'm experienced in this matter, so believe it! hahaha

Anyway, I could care less about when the E-town event is from a personal opinion but since these races are bigger than just ME..............listen to what the majority of the fans say.

[lionel.hutz]

To Mr Friedman and those who don't know who i am. I am the Magnus hitman and when Marco get's mad i come out and disapline!!! So i'm telling you this now you don't want 2 across the eye with the double ended dildo!!!!

[Dennis F]

#2, dennis f, you can't read and you are an ignorant problem starting faggot. Here is what you just posted a few posts up:

"banning someone from a community event is not selfish? Banning vendors and people who went to the showdown 09 for the 2010 so is not selfish?"

nowhere have i said anyone is banned, quite the opposite, i said nobody is banned and only one guy ever was and that was when marco and i were at each others throats. Poor move on my part, what's done is done. Fact of the matter is shit was talked at the e-town event as i had customers there who said they were afraid to even leave their cars out in the open over night because of it. Fact is some shops joined together with one thought on their mind, to ruin the dsm/evo shootout and make the event at e-town. I can live with that but they will not come to the shootout and be a vendor for free. In the past i have always charged for vendor space, this year was different because of the competing events. Next year is back to normal with the excpetion of people who supported us this year get grandfathered in for free next year. Like it or not, i don't care.


Oh really? Maybe they are not banned, but you have un-invited 3000 people. How is that not dividing the community? So no, not quite the opposite. Telling people they are not wanted/welcomed or whatever semantics you want to play, you are telling people not to come. Is that really much different?

also, for those people looking at the forums make note of this. Yes i am talking shit about the event. I was not the nasty fuck who put an event on the same day as another event with only thoughts of myself. So yes i absolutely hoped it was a flop and it sucked. I am not however bothering with making fun of the horrible runs, broken parts, blown engines or smoke clouds because that part of racing sucks for all of us. For those of you with bad luck or who didn't get to run what you wanted to over some bullshit safety rule, sorry for you, that's not a good day at the track. For the promoters and hater who attended the event though, please stay in jersey or wherever else you chose to race, i hope you never-ever come back to the shootout in ohio. Check yourself, if you went there to "fuck buschur" then please excuse yourself from ohio, i don't want you back here, it was much more peaceful without haters and trouble makers in our state.

You were not the nasty fuck who put on the Showdown event, you and a few others were the nasty fucks who caused all kinds of trouble about it though. I met a lot of new people that weekend as well as a lot of people I have known for years. I never heard anyone talking trash about YOU or the SO.

There are no video's anywhere trashing you or the SO, but yet they are there from the SO about the NJ event, real fucking mature and even divides the community just that much more. Goes to show the true sides eh?

so we are clear, they are not banned, i just don't want the hassle of them being there.

OK, not banned, but not invited either. I thought it was a community thing? Or do you make up rules as you go?

BTW, if you want to say that shit to my face, I will get you my address and you can come over. We can have a beer and I will introduce you to my dog

Edit: And to say people were afraid for their car is a straight up LIE David. I was all over that event, up and down and talked to a ton of people. No where, no how was anyone worried about there car, even Buschur powered ones. You are a fucking lying about this one.

[Uncle]

< < < < < < < Post count for member Uncle - 76 ?

Is this what you guys call a tech forum ?

It seems like a shame when your entire contribution to the great tech wisdom is a paultry 76 posts and yet you find time to engage in this stupidity.


Al

Yes Al, I do find time to engage in "this" aka "your" stupidity. It humors me, and I thank you for that.

[KING4G63]

Al you twinkie eating turdburglar, Uncle has more posts than you and when I go through the list, yours are all bashing, hating and crying. STFU and go gorge yourself on a skidload of Krispy Kreme's you douche bag.

BTW I'm sorry I couldn't attend both events, but my mind is now made up I would go wherever Fat Al isn't. Go learn some manners you pig. You ruined this perfectly good thread.

[lionel.hutz]

Hey Al and Dave while I was at the showdown I ran into a old friend of yours, it was actually really funny.
It was a guy named jordan that use to live in ohio. The kid went on for about 20 minutes about the first time
Had ever met the 2 of you. Something about gay sex at the norwalk in. I got it all on video its pretty funny.
And Al do you ever shut up? Or does that only happen when you have a burger or a dick in your mouth?

P.s the showdown was a blast, had a great time chilling at turbotrix and getting martin from ams to throw rods
In the turbotrix toilet hahahaha

[David Buschur]

Argueing with you, Dennis, is like talking to a wall. You do not comprehend well at all. I have no un-invited 3,000 people. I have said quite clearly that anyone who went to the E-town event with the attitude of "Fuck Buschur or Fuck the DSM/EVO Shootout can simply stay away from it in the future." They are no banned or un-invited. It is quite simple to understand. It's the same at our event as it is you guys telling Al to not come to E-town. It's simply keeping the haters and trouble makers away from each event. Difference is when your big mouth tells Al not to come it's OK, when I say "haters stay away" it's different, well it's not different. Obviously neither event wants haters at it, so it's easy. There are guy like Kiggly, Kevin Jewer, Mike Rizzotti and many-many other that I would love to have back at the shootout. Then there is the list of guys I hope never return, they can of course it's open to anyone. Don't read between the lines, I have made my stance perfectly clear.

I did not cause ANY problems for the E-town event, so I am NOT the nasty fuck who did anything asshole. I spoke my mind about it publically when it was first announced and then avoided the topic like the plague. I also didn't have a thing to do with any video's produced, don't point that finger at me either. As I said, I spoke my mind at the beginning and dropped it 100% after that. What part of the E-town shootout pissing off a lot of people don't you get? Actually, let me answer that for you, the only thing YOU get is when I do something that pisses people off, anyone else can do what they want and you ignore it. Wake up you cock sucker.

I'd love to meet you face to face, thanks for the invite. You'd have to drag your faggot ass to Ohio though or wait for me to make a trip that way, you aren't worth my time for a special trip. Bring your dog, he can eat your dead body when I am done with you. Bitch.

[David Buschur]

Here is a PM I received from a customer/friend who was at E-town:

"David,
here is a high res picture of my car at E-town, notice the sticker on the left front bumper cover.

**I took the picture out to save him problems.

I was worried people might mess with the car because of it."


This was not the only PM I got like this. This is the first one I dug up but proof of what I said, so suck a dick Dennis.

[PC Talon]

To set the records straight

My beef was simply that an event which I had previously attended and also helped promote and organize was purposely scheduled on the same day as another previously scheduled and long standing event

Thanks as always for your negative, profane and abusive remarks.

PS - if any of you want to come and express these thoughts to me in person - I invite you any time - 700 Canal Street - 3rd Fl, Stamford, CT 06902. Lets save the big talk for when you come down to visit me and don't let you alligator mouth write a check that your humming bird ass can't cash.

Any moron can make insults and call people names from behind a key board on the internet. Talk is cheap.

This forum is a real dissapointment, its high asprirations to be a tech only forum and be better have proven to be only pipe dreams and this is about the worst pile of crap I have seen.


We know this! You have been beating this horse since the Showdown was announced. The horse is dead move along!!!!

You complain about this forum not being a tech forum? Check your posts, I just did. The majority of your posts are regarding the Showdown vs/ Shootout and the controversy over the EVO intake manifolds. Plus YOU are the one who pretty much started shit in this thread bud.

While I admit there is quite a bit of name calling going on here by many people. Don't act like you are above that man.
There are plenty of forums that fit your description of "pile of crap". I am pretty sure you frequent a few.

Al, simply give it a rest.

[Dennis F]

Whatever Dave.

But sorry, I will not be going to Ohio to skull fuck you, if you want that you are going to have to come to me.

Whoever you're customer is must just be paranoid because I saw quite a few cars with Buschur stickers and I know for a fact, because you do make some nice Evo parts, that there were cars running you're parts. I never once heard anyone say they were worried about their cars, ever. That is just straight up stupid. For fucks sake, I have one of you're cores on my car!

Hell, one of the guys I was with during the whole weekend had Buschur stickers/parts on his car, I never said one fucking word about it, no one said one fucking word about it. No one cares about you're parts and who runs them.

Most people care about how you want to talk to others and be little them. news flash, it is just the internet and nothing you say means dick anymore.

In all honesty, I wish you the best. I respect what you have accomplished over the years, but this is my final post in this thread about you or Al. Good luck

[danl]

I am sure that any rational and objective person will admit that this Magus charcater is every bit the asshole and loud mouthed jerk that Buschur is claimed to be

Al

I was sitting out till I read this. I have only said hi to Marco once and he was very friendly. He was nice to everybody coming up and talking to him that I saw. On the other hand when asking David a simple interpretation of the rules question for participating in his shootout in 2006 he was extremely rude. Trying to make a small parts purchase at the Buschur shop in 2008 and I was treated very rudely as well.

I have attended 4 shootouts and raced in two. I will never attend another Buschur ran event after seeing the commodore at the showdown last week. You Al have never attended both events as a non sponsored privateer racer. We are the real racers, not people like you who tear up a message board so that someone can sponsor parts for you. Englishtown is the real racers event and yourself and David did this to yourself. Live with it and move on.

[David Buschur]

Good, I am glad we can both quit it in this thread. I just wanted to clarify some things.

I don't think my customers are paranoid, should they feel threatened? I don't know, I wasn't there. Obviously you can't be everywhere at the track either and obviously there were things said that you didn't hear. Obviously there were/are hard feelings between the promoters of the E-town event and myself so to think that NOTHING was said about me or someone running my parts is kind of closed minded too.

I would also like to be done here. I spoke my mind about what was said and that should be enough.

Enjoy.

[allisee]

Al, I wanted to take a second to respond to some of the actions that we are all witnessing here. This is an objective point of view, so no personal attacks will be made. Feel free to debate with me.

First of all. You requested 1 reason having 2 events in 1 day would be good for the sport. Simply answered, TRAVEL. DSM's are very popular within the tristate area, but an 11 hour travel could be a bit excessive, especially that commute home on a Sunday. Trust me, I've done it. It makes for a lousy Moday at work. Simply having options, and exposure is good for any sport. I would think that knowing your business and passion is in CT, you would be more inclined to support a local event, regardless of personal vendetta's, or whatever your personal issues are with those who attend. If I sold T-shirts for a living, and I was located in Boston, do you think I would not produce Red Sox shirts simply because I don't Fancy the team? Of course not. I would propose to you, that your actions simply indicate your non-interest in growing the "sport", but rather yourself. which rolls me into my next issue...

Hypocrites. You throw that word around, and it doesn't appear that you have ever taken the time to truly understand what a hypocrite is. By definition, it is a noun that simply means practicing or professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues, that one does not hold or posses. Or falseness. You claim that growing the sport is a major concern to you, in fact, I'll quote you from an earlier post.

" The most important thing for me in racing, is good competition and camaraderie with fellow racers-period". Well that's almost verbatim. I couldn't bring myself to misspell camaraderie. But let's continue. So while this claim is still fresh by you, I offer you a video portion of my rant featuring non other then....you. Please have a look people. please take notice, what Al says 1:50 seconds into the video. Now I ask you Al, does that sound like a hypocrite?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jh6dMHIj4o

In conclusion, I know your an educated man, perhaps you can proof read your posts before you post them. I find it hard to believe, that a person who can obtain a law degree, can't spell.

[hal]

Spelling is what para-legals take care of :D

[logic]

Jesus, you people all like to hear each other talk. But finally, something useful:

I was worried people might mess with the car because of it. This is a real problem, and it has nothing to do with the event organizers, but us, the event attendees.

I was at E-Town, and didn't see or hear any hostility aimed toward Buschur customers or shootout attendees; just the opposite, more than a few of us were looking up how things were going over there from time to time, because we had friends competing at the other venue (a very good friend of mine ended up demolishing his car after a failed pass, which had me checking for updates a little more than I'd planned). I know I saw plenty of Buschur parts on cars around the pits and staging lanes, and at least a few stickers.

From my own perspective: everyone I spoke to at the Turbotrix BBQ was very calm about the whole thing. They were in New Jersey to race, not argue about event rivalries, and it was a no-brainer for a lot of them to come to the closer event; in fact, that was the single most common explanation I heard. I don't think I spoke to anyone with a bad word to say about the other event (other than the usual shit talking that you'd expect from a racing crowd).

If I personally made someone with a Buschur logo on their car feel unwelcome, I apologize, and I'd hope I speak for a lot of other people who were there. I didn't witness anything like that, and certainly don't think I did anything to scare anyone off (other than point a camera at them), but I'm not going to call the man a liar or assume he's being overly-dramatic.

I wish we weren't hearing this after-the-fact, from a third party (especially from you, David; no offense intended by that, but it'd have more credibility from someone not so directly involved), rather than when the problem occurred, so it could have been dealt with. I don't believe anyone organizing the event would have been happy to hear that certain attendees were harassing other people who showed up to race, and I doubt anyone scaring off attendees would have been welcome on race day.

Did they speak with anyone (TTR employees, Marco, anyone at the track) about it? Again, no offense, but telling Dave Buschur can't fix the problem, but talking to the actual event organizers can.

[Mr. Moose]

To fix Al's spelling, he would need to be assisted by parapalegals ;)

[David Buschur]

As far as I know, nobody ran to anyone to tell them they were worried about leaving their car unattended. It would take someone without a lot of spine to do that. Being worried about having your car messed with is one thing, having some not so cool comments made to you over having BR parts is one thing, going to tell on someone for saying it or making you feel threatened is kind of weak. I was simply told that they did not feel comfortable and were worried about leaving their cars unattended and had some comments made because of their parts choice or stickers. Hell the same things probably happened at my race too, I don't know of any but you know how people are. The point was it happened, it was reported to me and I was called a liar for saying it. I think we are clear now it atleast happened.

I also spoke with Dennis in a PM he sent me, so that crap should be settled now.

My hopes are seriously that both events happen, just as they have for many years in the past on different days. Then the spectators/racers/vendors can attend both races. Sorry if some of you don't like what I say next but the truth is, the haters I hope never return to the Ohio event. Can they come back? Sure, nobody is banned as I have said. I won't do that again unless something really bad happened, like illegal. I'm not wanted in NJ and there are guys I don't want in Ohio, it's plain and simple.

[David Buschur]

Are some of you two years old? Who seriously gives a flying fuck if someone's words on the internet are spelled wrong? If that's all you have for ammo against Al or anyone else............maybe a profession in proof reading is what you should be doing. Sheesh.

[LadyVR4]

Moderators can you please close my thread?
This is not what I wanted it to be. It's one thing to call someone out and talk a little smack. Hell it's good for everyones business and good for competition. But all of the profanity is 100% unnecessary. It came, it went, and it's over, and I think everyone was happy with where they went; if not they can make a differnent decision next year.
As I said in the original post "thank you" to everyone that took part in either event. It takes a lot of work to pull off a successful event, and that happened for both events.If you didn't make it to one of the events this year make sure you don't miss one again next year.

[Al Friedman]

Don't over inflate things.

The Shootout and the Showdown, in the grand scheme of drag racing, aren't even blips on the radar.

While you continue to blame Magnus and T/T you continue to ignore the fact that their actions are a direct response to how they were being treated.

Now add to the mix the number of competitors that attended the Showdown and you have a "community" that is saying enough is enough.

Call it a vendetta if you like, but what's done is done.

Crying about it will change nothing.

Correction - not blips on the radar - the ONLY Evo specific race classes in the USA

If Magnus and TT did not like the way Buschur treated them then they should resolve it with Buschur directly

By getting "revenge" in holding all 3 (THREE) race events on the same day IMHO they are fucking a lot of others over who have nothing to do with the dispute - including themselves

[allisee]

Are some of you two years old? Who seriously gives a flying fuck if someone's words on the internet are spelled wrong? If that's all you have for ammo against Al or anyone else............maybe a profession in proof reading is what you should be doing. Sheesh.


Apologies Mr.Buschure. If all you got from my post was my input on his spelling, then I'll figure out a way to type slower so you can keep up.

[Al Friedman]

You Al have never attended both events as a non sponsored privateer racer. We are the real racers, not people like you who tear up a message board so that someone can sponsor parts for you. Englishtown is the real racers event and yourself and David did this to yourself. Live with it and move on.

You sir are not only a jackass - you also dont know what the fuck you are talking about

FYI - In 2003 - I WON the B1 class of the TT Mitsu day and was the fastest Evo on premises beating Jeff Hill of TT in the process - at that time I was not even in the Evo tuning business and had no sponsors what so ever

Also in August of 2003 My Evo was at the DSM Shootout Evo Eliminator race - reaching the finals and the only Evo to run in the 11's - best et 11.6 - again with no sponsors what so ever

I dont know what you mean by a "privateer" or a "real racer". The fact that If the fact that I now derive a living from working on cars and selling car parts means I am somehow less of a racer than I was before that would make no sense to me. Either way you need to get off fantasy island and get your facts straight.

[David Buschur]

allisee, if you think I singled you out from the other 20 guys who have said something about spelling in this thread, well you are sadly mistaken.

[Al Friedman]

First of all. You requested 1 reason having 2 events in 1 day would be good for the sport. Simply answered, TRAVEL. DSM's are very popular within the tristate area, but an 11 hour travel could be a bit excessive, especially that commute home on a Sunday. Trust me, I've done it. It makes for a lousy Moday at work. Simply having options, and exposure is good for any sport. I would think that knowing your business and passion is in CT, you would be more inclined to support a local event, regardless of personal vendetta's, or whatever your personal issues are with those who attend. If I sold T-shirts for a living, and I was located in Boston, do you think I would not produce Red Sox shirts simply because I don't Fancy the team? Of course not. I would propose to you, that your actions simply indicate your non-interest in growing the "sport", but rather yourself. which rolls me into my next issue...



A couple of points

#1 - Travel is irrelevant - several top teams drove well past Ohio to attend the NJ event who could have obviously contributed to the competition in OH. If the events are on seperate days then some people will attend both.

#2 - It obviously would have been better for my business interests to have attended the NJ event as many of my local customers were there. However, I made the decision to go to OH as that is where I have gone for the past 7 (SEVEN) years and I felt what Magnus and TT did was morally wrong and it would have been wrong for me to support it.

Al

[Al Friedman]

allisee, if you think I singled you out from the other 20 guys who have said something about spelling in this thread, well you are sadly mistaken.

We alo know that spelling is really important for geeks who lurk behind a keyboard and insult others. Obviously NONE of them have ever won any races or set any records so this is how they get to feel like tough guys to point out spelling errors that others make. How pathetic.

[hal]

I felt what Magnus and TT did was morally wrong and it would have been wrong for me to support it.

But it would be ok to support it if it was on a different date?

The same people that you called out in that video would still be promoting/attending the event.

Was your conduct on that video morally correct?

[hal]

#1 - Travel is irrelevant - several top teams drove well past Ohio to attend the NJ event who could have obviously contributed to the competition in OH.

But they chose to travel the extra distance because?

[Al Friedman]

But it would be ok to support it if it was on a different date?

The same people that you called out in that video would still be promoting/attending the event.

Was your conduct on that video morally correct?

I am voicing my personal OPINION - which is different than taking subversive ACTIONS to attempt to undermine the DSM Shootout at the expense of the racing community

I have attended the Turbo Trix event every year since 2003 (until this year) I was the guy who suggested a WRX vs EVO race to Etown and alosop the one to line up the principal sponsor who paid for the Event - Exedy Racing cluth and who activly promoted and supported the event. Of course I would attend all Mitsubishi and Subaru races no matter who else attends.

In fact if any rivals or someone I have a beef with is attending are there that is even more of a MOTIVATION to attend and WIN - why becuase I am a racer. Hence at the same TT event Pruven and Myself beat down AMS and TT in the Q16 elminations with significantly slower cars by outdriving the competition.

I think that a lot of people are missing the point of what a race is about and how racing helps to answer a lot of the questions that are otherwise left unanswered.

Marco acted in such a subversive manner in a blatant attempt to destroy the success of the DSM Shootout at the expense of all the racers who participate in and enjoy the event.

To me racing is much more straightforward and simple. You go to the race and do the best you can to win - period end of story. In competing against others who also seek to win you can bring out the best in yourself and push yourself to a higher level of performance and gain mutal respect for your fellow racer.

Al

[Al Friedman]

But they chose to travel the extra distance because?

Which race people attend is their business.

All I ask as a racer is that the events be held on different days so that everyone who actually wants to race or spectate is afforded an opportunity to do so.

If there is a DSM or Evo event and someone elects to not go due to personal preference then I see nothing wrong with that what so ever.

What I object to is all the subversive motivations, nasty actions and ill intentions of Marco and TT in making their best effort to destroy the DSM Shootout this year. Thankfully, they failed to harm the event.

Al

[hal]

I am voicing my personal OPINION - which is different than taking subversive ACTIONS to attempt to undermine the DSM Shootout at the expense of the racing community

You're ducking the question. A simple yes/no is all you need to respond with.

Quite frankly, your conduct in the video could be construed as subversive.

The actions against Magnus, T/T, and others could certainly be seen as attempts to do financial harm to a competitor (aka subversive).

You keep pointing fingers but fail to acknowledge that your own conduct (and that of others) is no different.

[ToddBridges]

I would also like to be done here. I spoke my mind about what was said and that should be enough.


<several posts ensue>


I did not cause ANY problems for the E-town event, so I am NOT the nasty fuck who did anything asshole.


No, not at all. Read your own forums, and then also realize that your little pet Al swung off your nuts long enough to create the issues for you.


I spoke my mind about it publically when it was first announced and then avoided the topic like the plague. I also didn't have a thing to do with any video's produced, don't point that finger at me either. As I said, I spoke my mind at the beginning and dropped it 100% after that.


Maybe in Ohio "100%" means something different, kinda like "I 100% didn't know she was my sister" or "I 100% never sucked a cock---except for those few times".

However in the real world, you've just proven that this statement is "100% not true" and other proof such as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BucVAncMjd0

Pay special attention from 6:55 and on--even at your own event you couldn't let the Englishtown thing go.

It's kinda like how most people know you're lying when you toss out the "honestly" and "I'm being honest here" statements before you spew your BS. Even a freshman who's had Psych 101 realizes that either you know you lie enough that you have to point out the rare occasions that you're not lying, or you're overcompensating because you typically do lie.

Enough spew...let it die. The Englishtown event that they had was successful despite you decrying it and your attempts (either direct or indirect by the fat fuck that swings from your nuts) failed to prove that no one could compete with "your" event.

I can find many instances of you calling it "your event" and about the same number calling it "the community's event" to show more double-speak (which I've just shown several examples of in this quick post) if you'd like as well, so you can kill that noise already.

It happened, it's over, finally let it die and save some semblence of class that you may have left.

[Public Enema]

We alo know that spelling is really important for geeks who lurk behind a keyboard and insult others. Obviously NONE of them have ever won any races or set any records so this is how they get to feel like tough guys to point out spelling errors that others make. How pathetic.

Its also one of the rules on my fucking board you fucking douchebag.

[Marco]

We alo know that spelling is really important for geeks who lurk behind a keyboard and insult others. Obviously NONE of them have ever won any races or set any records so this is how they get to feel like tough guys to point out spelling errors that others make. How pathetic.

I'm going to tell you that your spelling sucks, and that I don't lurk behind a keyboard, and that when I see you, I'm gonna show you who I really am. Maybe I'll bring the keyboard and shove it up your fat ass. Maybe, also, since your head is up there, you may might be able to see the sequence of the keys and learn how to spell.

Consider it a pseudo aggressive form of comprehending the English language.

[Public Enema]

I'm going to tell you that your spelling sucks, and that I don't lurk behind a keyboard, and that when I see you, I'm gonna show you who I really am. Maybe I'll bring the keyboard and shove it up your fat ass. Maybe, also, since your head is up there, you may might be able to see the sequence of the keys and learn how to spell.

Consider it a pseudo aggressive form of comprehending the English language.

An alternative english enema. I like it!

[Marco]

We'd need a 2000 psi power washer followed by an enema to clean all shit spewing out of this guy.

[Al Friedman]

You're ducking the question. A simple yes/no is all you need to respond with.

Quite frankly, your conduct in the video could be construed as subversive.

The actions against Magnus, T/T, and others could certainly be seen as attempts to do financial harm to a competitor (aka subversive).

You keep pointing fingers but fail to acknowledge that your own conduct (and that of others) is no different.

Subversion - 1 : the act of subverting : the state of being subverted; especially : a systematic attempt to overthrow or undermine a government or political system by persons working secretly from within
2 obsolete : a cause of overthrow or destruction

When I am on a video openly stating my opinion to the WORLD that the assholes behind the NJ event are simply trying to copy the original DSM Shootout which is in its 17th year - I AM NOT BEING SUBVERSIVE - I am simply sharing my views and opinions with everyone in an honest and open manner

Again, there is nothing surversive about my actions. I lay my cards on the table and speak my mind.

Plain and simple.

[Al Friedman]

I'm going to tell you that your spelling sucks, and that I don't lurk behind a keyboard, and that when I see you, I'm gonna show you who I really am. Maybe I'll bring the keyboard and shove it up your fat ass. Maybe, also, since your head is up there, you may might be able to see the sequence of the keys and learn how to spell.

Consider it a pseudo aggressive form of comprehending the English language.

Talk is cheap. I'm pleasantly suprized to realize that my honest thoughts have aroused such anger and hostility in you - Please stay angry and upset.

[Al Friedman]

Its also one of the rules on my fucking board you fucking douchebag.

Fuck you and your shit ass board. Why don't you give me some warning points you cocksucker?

Al

[hal]

I am simply sharing my views and opinions with everyone in an honest and open manner

Your views are meaningless because of your involvement in this episode of "As the shit flies".

The same arguments, coming from Mike, Kevin, or a host of others who were not directly involved would have more merit.

In my opinion, you're just trying to do damage control by playing the victim.

I'm done with you. I've made my points and you've given them merit.

Time to move on.

[Thorin]

Al,

Do you honestly think anyone gives a flying fuck what you think?

Where were you, crying foul and charging people with being subversive, when your "Master Buschur" was trying to destroy Marco's business? You were right there with him. Another example of why people hate you, and your opinions are meaningless. You are the very definition of hypocrisy.

[admin]

Al Friedman, You pathetic excuse for a human being.

I don't like you coming here and disrupting my board, you child. This board normally doesn't need policing, but it seems anywhere you show up, there is always trouble.

From the dozens of complaints I have gotten to close this thread I am instead, going to leave it open, so the whole world can see what kind of piece of filth you are, I might even submit it to Google so when your name gets looked up people can really see what kind of a man you really are.

Anybody else who has a problem with this guy, can have at him in here.

[Whiskey Appleseed]

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[Spark Tech]

I'd like to share my latest experience with Al on another forum.

Al makes a post and says..."Well there was some good derived from Spark Tech attending the E-town showdown...One of my buddies (another shop owner out of Brooklyn) looked them up and figured out what Ignition coils they were using to produce their cop kits. Then he went to a junkyard and assembled his own kit for about $200 utilizing junkyard parts. Now he has a really nice looking cop kit. He then proceeds to say HE Al will do a write up on a HOW TO.

I would think if one were to do a HOW TO...you should have atleast done it yourself. This is the same classless tool that professes to have a law degree.. A prime example of the levels this individual would stoop too.

Actually there was some good that actually cam from us being at the showdown...Earlier in the day as I was chatting with Jeff Hill I mentioned we had spare coils if THEY or ANY other team needed. In the final rounds Jeff stopped by and said "hey we are having a misfire in Brandons car and thought one of the coils were giving trouble." (coils were a little over 1yr old) We immediately went over and changed all 4 out with 4 new coils. On the next pass we walked up close to the timing clocks on the top end of the track and Brandon screamed by and there was NO misfire at all. Brandon went on the secure 2nd place. Great job Brandon and TTR.

[Whiskey Appleseed]

First we have....
Talk is cheap. I'm pleasantly suprized to realize that my honest thoughts have aroused such anger and hostility in you - Please stay angry and upset.

Then we have...
Fuck you and your shit ass board. Why don't you give me some warning points you cocksucker?

Al

Now we have...
HYPOCRITE

[Dennis F]

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[Turbotrix Racing]

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ROFL ..

Ive seen that before .. Its Al's timing map ..


Mark
Turbotrix

p.s. Al you were being so good.

[David Buschur]

I can't give Marco any shit for working to put the E-town event on the same day as the DSM/EVO Shootout. As I said, if someone pulls an asshole move then they have to expect one in return. Maybe that's why it was easy for me to speak my mind about it being a crap thing to do because of people who wanted to attend both and then just move on. Truth is, I had it coming to atleast some degree, that is if revealing test results shouldn't be done.

TT's on the other hand, they were mad over lack of cool down times and payouts. Our cars never had a problem with getting back up for the next run and were quicker/faster and you do have to win to get paid, so I don't see much point in what they did. The good side of it is, the payouts got increased this year from them pissing off sponsors who put up more money than the $6600 I put up out of my own pocket in the past and we have now put longer time between runs for all the classes to allow more cool down for the cars that need it.

Al, personally, I say I had some of it coming, not that I was the only one involved in the huge shit fest Marco and I started with each other, so let it be.

Also, TT's, I believe, has already said the events are not going to be on the same day next year, there's is going to be in "cooler weather". So if that's the case, that arguement is over too.

The rest of this crap is already in the past so it's pointless to even argue about.

Todd Bridges, you are an ignorant fuck, your post was worthless and not worth responding to be beyond, "fuck you faggot".

[Turbotrix Racing]

the assholes behind the NJ event.


You just can't keep your mouth shut. Last time I stopped replying to you because you sent Mark text messages crying for me to stop. Now you go and run your mouth again. Don't bother texting Mark trying to get me to stop this time. You only have yourself to blame.

Keith

[Turbotrix Racing]

TT's on the other hand, they were mad over lack of cool down times and payouts. Our cars never had a problem with getting back up for the next run and were quicker/faster and you do have to win to get paid, so I don't see much point in what they did. The good side of it is, the payouts got increased this year from them pissing off sponsors who put up more money than the $6600 I put up out of my own pocket in the past and we have now put longer time between runs for all the classes to allow more cool down for the cars that need it.



We were not the only ones who complained about lack of cool down time, payouts, etc. Other racers voiced the same opinions. Its quite obvious from the lineup that we put together for the race.

BTW, {Al mode on}We had no problem hotlapping our car on the way to the finals at Summerslam. Our passes were made 40 mins apart and were within a tenth of each other. {Al mode off}

Its great that the payouts were increased but from what you have said the payouts for next year will be the same as they were in the past. So you only raised them for this year....the year that all the racers who wanted to win more money were at another race. :confused:

Also, to your "you have to win to get paid" comment. Maybe you didn't see but Brandons car made it to the finals. Brandon was happy with his cash and FP turbo. {Al mode on}That made the second event in a row that a Turbotrix car has made it to the finals. {Al mode off}



Keith

[ToddBridges]

Todd Bridges, you are an ignorant fuck, your post was worthless and not worth responding to be beyond, "fuck you faggot".

The truth hurts, doesn't it sista?

I figured a response like that was coming since when you're backed into a corner showing that you talk out of your ass with proof you just turn to a personal attack that avoids the subject.

To Turbotrix and Marco, I hope to make the event next year. It sounds like it was a good time and will be even bigger next year.

[David Buschur]

Keith, can any of you have a discussion without referring to Al when you talk to me or referring to me when you talk to Al? Do you need a "mode" really, it just makes your points a joke.

No, you were not the only ones who complained about cool down time, a few others did too. Point is we've always had one of the quickest/fastest cars at the shootout regardless of the year and never have a problem. This year was probably the hottest in history. My RS ran three 9.1's in about 25 minutes, was it hot? Hell yes, but no issues and that is running it as quickly as we could get back on the starting line. I don't mind the extra cool down but in years past nobody asked much, last year it was like a cry festival and everyone jumped my ass at once over it. I can't fix a problem if I don't know it exists. So that one is now fixed.

Payouts, $6600 per year in cash. There are 8 class, that's $625 per class, plus trophies, this year trophies were $800. Q16 has been $1000 to the winner in the past. This is for a $35 entry fee. The event in E-town pissed of some guys who coughed up sponsorship money to make the pot sweeter for the guys interested in just the payouts. My GUESS is next year Shearer, Mike@AWD will not want to throw that much money at the event as it proved to be pointless. NOBODY has ever thanked me for the money they got at the shootout. Not once in 17 years have I been thanked for the payout. They thank me for the great time, for putting on the event etc., but the point is never once for the money they get when they win. To me that shows it's not all the important. It's quite obvious people come to Ohio for more than the race, the payouts or the "who's-who" in the racing world that year. I can not pay out the amount that was paid this year on my own, without sponsors, it's impossible. Now if I were to charge $700 to enter a class, sure that is easy but I find that rediculous. For the 18th Annual, right now, I have it set up with a $200 entry fee and I am still putting in my normal $6600 to the event. I don't know that I will leave it like that. So far, no interest or comments on a $200 entry fee to Q16. Maybe sponsors will step up for next year, maybe not. I don't go looking to be honest, I think it is degrading to ask someone for money.

todd-faggot, there is no truth to either of yours posts, just ignorance, that's why they aren't worth responding to. I am glad however to hear you are going to Jersey next year, we sure as hell don't want you here.

[Dennis F]

I think one of the problems with last year and the cool down times were that the people running on a 16 volt system did not have enough time to recharge during rounds.

I honestly think you can not win either way with something like that. But to the people who complain about getting it over and done with so they can hit the road, that is kinda in a tough shit category. When I have gone to the SO, I just made plans to leave Monday morning. All part of the experience

I left E-town Sunday around 5 and it was <250 miles home and it sucked, but the person I went with needed to be home, so I did it. I can't imagine it being say even 500 miles after a hot ass day.

[Al Friedman]

Al, personally, I say I had some of it coming, not that I was the only one involved in the huge shit fest Marco and I started with each other, so let it be.



David - you are my friend but seriously I dont care about the drama or issues between you and Marco. Thats between you two guys.

I am just a racer who likes to attend all these races and feel that these pricks have taken actions to harm the dying sport that we have left - which is not much compared to what it was even a few years ago

IMHO it was wrong for Marco to take his beef with you over the intake manifold and move it into the area of fucking with racing dates and trying to ruin events that people look forward to each year

If you feel you did wrong and has this comming then thats your opinion

I feel that what ever you did does not justify thier actions as what they did does not only effect you it effects the entire community

Finally - by making a threat of physical violence against me now Magnus has got himself into a bit of a cluster fuck with me and when its time to cash that check its not going to be a pleasant exhange for him. Like I said talk is cheap and lets leave it at that.

[Al Friedman]

You just can't keep your mouth shut. Last time I stopped replying to you because you sent Mark text messages crying for me to stop. Now you go and run your mouth again. Don't bother texting Mark trying to get me to stop this time. You only have yourself to blame.

Keith

If you guys want to try and smear my work and make stupid comments I am going to start exposing the dozens of serious fuck ups I have documented comming out of your facility. Please don't go there and start trying to make up stories about my work. You guys should seriously conentrate on just doing your work properly and stop trying to be dicks.

Al

[Al Friedman]

I would ask that the moderator team ban me from this web forum as seriously its a real crap hole of a dump and filled with a bunch of scum bags and assholes.


I think I made all my points very clear on why I was upset about the race schedule for this year and I stated my honest opinion

Rather that have an inteligent debate about my ideas and have others state their opinions in a civil manner we have pages of nasty insults and stupid remarks.

Most seriously we have Magnus making some threats of physical violence directed towards me. At this point there is nothing really left to talk about and I would prefer to let my actions speak for themselves.

Please moderator ban me from your shit ass forum. I have no interest to waste my valuable time trying to have a discussion with these kind oif individuals.

Fuck off

[David Buschur]

Dennis, I never even considered a car without an alternator needing more time to charge, that is possible. Every car I've raced we've left an alternator on, and as you know, they've gone 7's. Now that I think about it, the Buick I drove that ran 7.50's did not have an alternator but I don't remember ever having a problem running back-to-back without charging it. Been awhile though. Doesn't matter, now we have longer cool down times.

You are also right, this year with the longer cool down times I was approached by two people to see "if I could hurry things along" as they needed to get back on the road to get home. That is one thing about our race, the majority of the people who attend are from out of state and come from not only all over the country but all over the world.

Al, I have no beef with Marco anymore. I'd like to atleast think him and I are to the point we can atleast just ignore each other. I have nothing to say about him, ever, even when asked. We pissed each other off, I took it to the next level, he retaliated with the E-town event, he also was banned from Ohio, seems logical to me to have their own event and I guess in the world of "fuck-you's" doing it on the same day as my event makes sense.

[ToddBridges]

If you guys want to try and smear my work and make stupid comments I am going to start exposing the dozens of serious fuck ups I have documented comming out of your facility. Please don't go there and start trying to make up stories about my work. You guys should seriously conentrate on just doing your work properly and stop trying to be dicks.

Al

What's that word you were trying to spell/define again? Oh! Hypocrite!

From the Buschur Forums:

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Becuase a "toaster" is for preparing toast
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not blowing up engines

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reason # 8

Becuase a "French Fry" is a food

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not what happens to your evo on the dyno

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You were saying Al??:asshole2:

[Al Friedman]

You just can't keep your mouth shut. Last time I stopped replying to you because you sent Mark text messages crying for me to stop. Now you go and run your mouth again. Don't bother texting Mark trying to get me to stop this time. You only have yourself to blame.

Keith

Just to clarify - my recollection was that last time I was talking with Mark it was when I helped to quash some videos you did not like regarding Dr. Sean etc

[hal]

I would ask that the moderator team ban me from this web forum as seriously its a real crap hole of a dump and filled with a bunch of scum bags and assholes.

Why, so you can then go cry that you were "banned"?

Just stop posting. It's a simple matter of self control :D

[Turbotrix Racing]

Just to clarify - my recollection was that last time I was talking with Mark it was when I helped to quash some videos you did not like regarding Dr. Sean etc

Your recollection was only half the conversation. The other part was you askit Mark to tell me to stop posting, which I did.

Let me clarify it for you once again Al. We did not try to "smear your work" or make stupid comments. I have not said anything about you and you come on here and call us assholes and have gone on the net making stupid posts about us(please refer to the above post from Todd Bridges as proof). You continue to talk shit and are all buddy buddy with everyone when you see them in person. I'm tired of it. We have stayed out of Dave's threads and he has stayed out of ours. It's that easy. As simple as it is you can't seem to grasp this concept.

Keith

[Turbotrix Racing]

Keith, can any of you have a discussion without referring to Al when you talk to me or referring to me when you talk to Al? Do you need a "mode" really, it just makes your points a joke.



The whole point of it was that it was a joke. Al likes to stroke his own ego and bring up stuff from 6 years ago like anyone cares. You let all this go months ago. Al just can't seem to do that. He turned this perfectly good thread into shit.

Keith

[Da Fuhrer]

Have you guys had enough yet? Can we all get along now???? Soon enough I'm going to whip out the ban stick here.

[Dennis F]

Dennis, I never even considered a car without an alternator needing more time to charge, that is possible. Every car I've raced we've left an alternator on, and as you know, they've gone 7's. Now that I think about it, the Buick I drove that ran 7.50's did not have an alternator but I don't remember ever having a problem running back-to-back without charging it. Been awhile though. Doesn't matter, now we have longer cool down times.

I think with some of the stronger electronics of today are making it a bit harder for the guys on a 16 volt system.

Some of these fuel pumps are power hungry along with strong ignition setups, wideband's, trans brakes, line lock etc.

[hal]

Even the 12v cars are at risk. The large pumps, ignition systems, etc. can easily draw more amps than the alternator makes at idle.

[Dennis F]

100% agree Hal.

Voltage drop is hard to fight

[David Buschur]

I agree, as I said, I didn't even consider someone running no alternator. There are alternator solutions and many other things that get skipped on most builds. My car runs a very heavy gauge redundant ground wire that raised voltage at the ECU and fuel pumps over 1 full volt that is just from a ground wire. I also personally run a 180 amp alternator on my EVO, I have no problems with voltage. It all comes down to doing an entire build correctly in my opinion. I am running COP, AEM, twin pumps, electric water pump etc., no problems and 14 volts at idle and 13+ at WOT.

Main thing is, I listened but don't feel I needed to be "attacked" to get my attention over the cool downs and now the cool downs are longer...........only to be met with guys who think they are too long now!

Oh the challenges of being a race organizer/promoter! haha

[Boostjunki84]

I read this thread a few days ago and was going to respond in it but since it was started as a thank you for the event I didn't, I didn't want to get a bunch of crap started in it. Since it's trashed at this point I have just a few things to say.

#1, Boostjunki84, the pictures you posted in post #51 clearly show the event was busy, I had not seen those pics and obviously neither did a few supporters of the event because the post after yours or maybe a few after yours said they had never seen them either. Based on your pictures I deleted the comments on our forums about how big the E-town event was. If you look at all the other pictures posted you will see the same thing most of us did, small amounts of people in the stands and staging lanes/pits.

This is true. I only got a few shots when we first arrived and right before we left. The rest of the day was wrench and race. I didn't even get to eat until 4pm.

Oh really? Maybe they are not banned, but you have un-invited 3000 people. How is that not dividing the community? So no, not quite the opposite. Telling people they are not wanted/welcomed or whatever semantics you want to play, you are telling people not to come. Is that really much different?



You were not the nasty fuck who put on the Showdown event, you and a few others were the nasty fucks who caused all kinds of trouble about it though. I met a lot of new people that weekend as well as a lot of people I have known for years. I never heard anyone talking trash about YOU or the SO.

There are no video's anywhere trashing you or the SO, but yet they are there from the SO about the NJ event, real fucking mature and even divides the community just that much more. Goes to show the true sides eh?



OK, not banned, but not invited either. I thought it was a community thing? Or do you make up rules as you go?

This is my biggest concern.

David, I want to say from your average DSMer's point of view I want to go where the cars I want to see/race are going to be. It just happend that all those cars/people went to E-town this year.

I consider it a personal insult when I see video's like the "Fuck E-town" chant or Al's "faggot asshole's going to e-town" video's; not to mention you yourself wearing the "piss on e-town" shirt at your event. I mean really, you "had nothing to do with it"? You were wearing the shirt!

My point is if you cared about the community, then at the very least you would have said something about all the bashing of thier brothers and some of your customers at e-town, by attendee's of the SO.

Argueing with you, Dennis, is like talking to a wall. You do not comprehend well at all. I have no un-invited 3,000 people. I have said quite clearly that anyone who went to the E-town event with the attitude of "Fuck Buschur or Fuck the DSM/EVO Shootout can simply stay away from it in the future." They are no banned or un-invited. It is quite simple to understand. It's the same at our event as it is you guys telling Al to not come to E-town. It's simply keeping the haters and trouble makers away from each event. Difference is when your big mouth tells Al not to come it's OK, when I say "haters stay away" it's different, well it's not different. Obviously neither event wants haters at it, so it's easy. There are guy like Kiggly, Kevin Jewer, Mike Rizzotti and many-many other that I would love to have back at the shootout. Then there is the list of guys I hope never return, they can of course it's open to anyone. Don't read between the lines, I have made my stance perfectly clear.

I did not cause ANY problems for the E-town event, so I am NOT the nasty fuck who did anything asshole. I spoke my mind about it publically when it was first announced and then avoided the topic like the plague. I also didn't have a thing to do with any video's produced, don't point that finger at me either. As I said, I spoke my mind at the beginning and dropped it 100% after that. What part of the E-town shootout pissing off a lot of people don't you get? Actually, let me answer that for you, the only thing YOU get is when I do something that pisses people off, anyone else can do what they want and you ignore it. Wake up you cock sucker.

I'd love to meet you face to face, thanks for the invite. You'd have to drag your faggot ass to Ohio though or wait for me to make a trip that way, you aren't worth my time for a special trip. Bring your dog, he can eat your dead body when I am done with you. Bitch.

This is another thing that concerns me. You are the manager/owner of a business. Don't you think you should conduct yourself with a little bit more maturity than this on a public forum. Everyone knows you're not killing anyone. And no one's making any trip to kick anyone's ass either(this goes for everyone). This kind of behavior is childish at best.

I would ask that the moderator team ban me from this web forum as seriously its a real crap hole of a dump and filled with a bunch of scum bags and assholes.


I think I made all my points very clear on why I was upset about the race schedule for this year and I stated my honest opinion

Rather that have an inteligent debate about my ideas and have others state their opinions in a civil manner we have pages of nasty insults and stupid remarks.

Most seriously we have Magnus making some threats of physical violence directed towards me. At this point there is nothing really left to talk about and I would prefer to let my actions speak for themselves.

Please moderator ban me from your shit ass forum. I have no interest to waste my valuable time trying to have a discussion with these kind oif individuals.

Fuck off

Why did you come in here and start shit in Sandra's thread in the first place? If you wanted to have a debate, you should have started your own thread. All spelling jokes aside, can't you read? This is(was) a thank you thread for the Shootout and the Showdown.

[kjewer1]

I'm staying out of the bullshit hopefully, but I feel the need to make a few points.

All of the guys saying the wait between rounds is too long probably don't have a Q16 capable car. Just like all of the guys chanting "fuck E-town" in the video probably ran 16s in brackets the next day. That shit really pisses me off. I chose to go to E-town this year and anyone that doesn't like it can hug my nuts.

I had a 16 volt system last year with no alternator and needed time to recharge. In the end though it was a failing A1000 that forced me to abort in the semis and then stall on the starting line in the final. In the end that pump was too small anyway. On the eliminator pump I have enough at 12 volts (WOT voltage), and my 16v battery didn't survive the off season so I went back to 12 volts, but now I'm tossing alternator belts at 9500 rpm. Must be the Buschur relocation kit. :D Or that friggin ATI damper I have to run that isn't in the stock location for some reason. Cars can be made to turn around in ~30 minutes realistically, and I've made great strides in this department over the last year. But I also need time to cool myself off, full on safety gear is hot as hell.

I don't think the E-town event "ruined" anything this year. It was an awesome time and the Q16 lineup was ridiculous (my main motivation for going, along with the chance to win some cash). Both events were successful, as predicted. I'll be going to both events next year, because I am willing to spend my hard earned money to support any event put together for my benefit. I think a 200 dollar buy in to sweeten the pot is awesome, it's a nice middle ground. If I'm gonna drop 500-600 on diesel to get out there and back you better believe I appreciate payouts! I always thought that went without saying.

I'm already looking forward to next years events.

[DSSA]

I agree, as I said, I didn't even consider someone running no alternator. There are alternator solutions and many other things that get skipped on most builds. My car runs a very heavy gauge redundant ground wire that raised voltage at the ECU and fuel pumps over 1 full volt that is just from a ground wire. I also personally run a 180 amp alternator on my EVO, I have no problems with voltage. It all comes down to doing an entire build correctly in my opinion. I am running COP, AEM, twin pumps, electric water pump etc., no problems and 14 volts at idle and 13+ at WOT.

Main thing is, I listened but don't feel I needed to be "attacked" to get my attention over the cool downs and now the cool downs are longer...........only to be met with guys who think they are too long now!

Oh the challenges of being a race organizer/promoter! haha



David,

I have issues with you from other shit in the past, however, I've bitten my tongue in this thread and it's pretty much been a good idea.

I agree with what you're saying here, and I don't think anyone other than people who just have an agenda and want to flap their gums on here have anything else to say to you in a negative manner. Kudos!

On the other hand, if you and Al aren't tag-teaming this sort of thing, I think it might be beneficial for you (both here and elsewhere) to distance yourself from him as it seems that he thrives on this kinda BS. You're being pretty honest and straightforward about this whole thing and he's just attacking for the thrill of it--don't let him drag you down! Al, if you have an issue with this, I'm on the east coast and if you really want to throw your weight around like you seem to like to do and threaten people, I'll gladly let you know the next time I'm within your general area. I think that you've played your little game a lot further then you have the balls to back up and if you're trying to play tough guy on the internet, it's pretty fucking sad at this point.

I'm glad to see that the two events will be on different dates next year and hopefully we can avoid the drams (even though I was admittedly sided) next year.

-Josh

[Al Friedman]

David,

I have issues with you from other shit in the past, however, I've bitten my tongue in this thread and it's pretty much been a good idea.

I agree with what you're saying here, and I don't think anyone other than people who just have an agenda and want to flap their gums on here have anything else to say to you in a negative manner. Kudos!

On the other hand, if you and Al aren't tag-teaming this sort of thing, I think it might be beneficial for you (both here and elsewhere) to distance yourself from him as it seems that he thrives on this kinda BS. You're being pretty honest and straightforward about this whole thing and he's just attacking for the thrill of it--don't let him drag you down! Al, if you have an issue with this, I'm on the east coast and if you really want to throw your weight around like you seem to like to do and threaten people, I'll gladly let you know the next time I'm within your general area. I think that you've played your little game a lot further then you have the balls to back up and if you're trying to play tough guy on the internet, it's pretty fucking sad at this point.

I'm glad to see that the two events will be on different dates next year and hopefully we can avoid the drams (even though I was admittedly sided) next year.

-Josh


Disclaimer - My opinons ARE NOT those of Buschur Racing and David Buschur. I am a dealer for thier parts, they help sponsor my race car and I did some reflashing for them. The views, ideas, thoughts and opinions that I have expressed and wiull continue to express have NOTHING to do with Buschur Racing and have not been authorized by or approved by Buschur Racing.

I am the guy who was upset by the two shootouts - actually 3 including the Evo vs WRX event which was rolled into the TT day - all being on the same day. I have always made it a point to attend all the days and those with a long memory can remember myself facing off against Big VALLEY from San Juan Puerto Rico in the final of the WRX vs EVo shootout two years in a row. To reiterate - it may be cool with Buschur what happend - but its not cool with me as Buschur never would have come to any of the races and did not loose out - I did. I look forward to attending all the races each year and thus that is why i am upset. This has nothing to do with Buschur.

I did not participate in Buschur's testing of Magnus's intakes and I had nothing to do with that also.

Those who are honest with themselves will privately admit that of the races were all on different days it would be better for the tracks - they would make more money - better for the racers and better for the fans and everyone can have a choice to attend one or both depending on whom they like and who they hate and their financial situation.

As for me throwing my weight around - I did not mention any physical violence against anyone and have never threatened anyone over the internet or otherwise. I have no interest to harm anyone - especially any fellow racers. Its not my style.

After I was threatened by Marco I simply stated a fact that I am not a individual that you want to play around with and if you want to get into a fist fight with me you better bring a a few of your pals to hold me down or a gun or knife to kill me - end of story.

As I have stated above - the real tough motherfuckers I used to defend when I was a criminal lawyer don't talk about fucking someone up they just do it. By the time you realize what's going down its too late.

If Marco wants to try and stick a keyboard up my ass then one of us will wind up dead, or both end of story.

Al

[travman]

when I was a criminal lawyer

In what state did you practice criminal law? just curious.....

[Dennis F]

Just a question if anyone knows,

If 3000 people went to NJ and 2000 people went to Ohio, would a SO normally see 5000 people? I am thinking it does not. So maybe between the two events, it has brought out more people?

Correct me if I am wrong.

[David Buschur]

Boostjunki, I'd have expected the E-town Q16 field to be faster too and understand what you thought about going there. Unfortunately for you and the racers, they didn't have much luck and I believe both races had 8.90's as the quickest Q16 runs and I THINK our Q16 field was over all quicker. I know #15 qualifier was still a 9.8 I think at the DSM/EVO Shootout and we had 21 cars that qualified for the field. Also, I'm not sure what many of your problems are but I am not Al's daddy, I have two children and I teach them and make them behave like they should. The rest of my customers/friends/dealers or attendee's of my race are not my children. I do not have any say over what they do, what they chant, videos they make or t-shirts they produce. You guys must have all voted for Obama, I did not. Freedom of speech and just FREEDOM is what I believe in, stop expecting me to police what other people do, it's not my job nor do I care to accept it as one of my responsibilities. As for the shirt, hell yes I wore it. I bought 5 of them, love the shirt. Hated the fact someone put an event on the same day as the DSM/EVO Shootout for no other reason than to fuck with me and the event.

Also, as a shop owner or whatever else some of you wish to refer to me as, role model or anything else, I don't hold myself any higher than anyone else. If I want to say "Fuck you, suck my dick, kiss my ass, blow my dog or meet me so I can blow your brains out" I am going to do that. I am not, nor should I be held at any higher level than anyone else. You guys seem to think it's fine for Todd buttfuck Bridges to come in here and slam me but I can't respond to anyone else in the same manner? Fuck that, I'm a grown man and if anyone doesn't like what I say and think me defending myself looks poorly on my business, then don't buy from us, I am fine with that choice. Just don't ask me to act differently so YOU WILL BUY FROM ME. That is what you are asking me to do. Suck up, be nice, kiss "your" ass and let someone treat me poorly so I look good and you will still do business with me or attend my event. Fuck that. It's not me. If you want to do business with someone who's two faced and will smile at you when you insult them and still take your money I can give you a list of shops to buy from like that.

Al and I, just to be clear, have not ONCE discussed this thread in PM's, IM's, texts or on the phone. What he is posting and what I am posting is on our own. STOP dragging AL into what I say and STOP dragging what I say into what AL is doing. Holy shit already.

Last but not least, no the DSM/EVO Shootout doesn't typically have 5,000 people at it. Each event has continued to grow each year since they have started. Ours has grown from the first unofficial year of 4 people to 2,000+ now. Englishtown is located in an area of HUGE populations and it is not hard to draw an import crowd in that area. MOST of the people who attended the E-town race would NOT make the drive to Ohio anyway. This was one thing I knew from the beginning and my money was on the fact that our race would remain the same size as the previous year, no growth, but the same size. I was surprised to find that even with some of our normal spectators/racers going to E-town this year we did still actually grow from the year before, that says something to me, made me very happy/proud of the event. Had both events been on different days though I think each event would have maybe seen an extra 100 people. Not a drastic difference for either event.

[lionel.hutz]

that I am not a individual that you want to play around with and if you want to get into a fist fight with me you better bring a a few of your pals to hold me down or a gun or knife to kill me - end of story.

As I have stated above - the real tough motherfuckers I used to defend when I was a criminal lawyer don't talk about fucking someone up they just do it. By the time you realize what's going down its too late.

If Marco wants to try and stick a keyboard up my ass then one of us will wind up dead, or both end of story.

Al


Wow you really do think you are a tough mother fucker!!! I would really love to meet you and your buddy David one day. And out of curiosity where did a retard like you get a law degree? I highly doubt you met any hardcore mofo's fighting traffic tickets!! And if i were the judge i would throw your ass in jail just for being cock smoking retard you are.

[logic]

In what state did you practice criminal law? just curious..... His Connecticut Juris number is 407029, if you want to search for him (http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/AttorneyFirmInquiry.aspx) or his cases (http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/AttyCaseListSearch.aspx).

[Turbotrix Racing]

I have always made it a point to attend all the days and those with a long memory can remember myself facing off against Big VALLEY from San Juan Puerto Rico in the final of the WRX vs EVo shootout two years in a row.

Al

You memory is horrible. You did not run Big Valley in the finals two years in a row. You only ran them in the finals one year. You had the quicker/faster car that day but Roly beat you by destroying you on the tree and running 10.6@13x to your high 10 or low 11 second pass. The next time you raced Big Valley was at Atco after the rain out of the Evo/Wrx. This was just test and tune, no finals of any sort. Roly once again laid the smack down on you with a 9.5@150 on street tires. If your going to keep bringing up the past the least you can do is be accurate about it.

Keith

[lionel.hutz]

WOW!!! You call yourself a fucking lawyer??? It looks like all Al is a divorce lawyer. You claim you represented some mean hard core people, but I think you are wrong I think those were the wives of your clients.
And what's this I see you trying to sue sony? What's wrong , were you trying to blame them for all the motors you were blowing up on the dyno with your sony laptop??

[David Buschur]

lionel.putz, yes that is more fitting.

[lionel.hutz]

Is that he best you could come with Mr David Butcher? The man who's hacked up more cars then then local polish butcher shop.
I think you need to try alittle harder the next time you try stick up for your little bum buddy.

[David Buschur]

putz, it says it all. You are just some cock sucker sticking his nose into this so he can feel like a man. Go play with your boyfriends penis.

[lionel.hutz]

Butcher I am very unimpressed with your weak insults, please try again. How about some of your weak tough guy threads those make for good laughs.

Hey Al I know know Lionel Hutz is an "Attorney at Law" and he roll's with a ham sandwich in his briefcase what is it you roll with? A box of Twinkies ?

It's pretty obvious your career as a lawyer isn't getting you anywhere. The next divorce case you take should be "Twinkies vs Fat Al's Gut".

http://www.bobpitch.com/anon/LionelHutz.jpg

[logic]

His Connecticut Juris number is 407029, if you want to search for him (http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/AttorneyFirmInquiry.aspx) or his cases (http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/AttyCaseListSearch.aspx). I should note that this case search link only covers civil and family cases. You can also look up small claims (http://www.jud2.ct.gov/Small_Claims/sc_SearchAttyCase.asp) cases, and there's a search for housing cases (although there's nothing to see there). There doesn't appear to be a good online search for criminal cases by Juris number (other than traffic court), which would be the more interesting thing to see.

[David Buschur]

I just received points from danl, one of my biggest haters. This site is a joke.

So let me post this publically.

Fuck you danl and the boyfriend you road in on. Issue some more prick.

[David Buschur]

You pitiful cocksuckers let these threads run with any insult that can be thought of as long as they are directed at myself or Al. One of you douche bag moderators have even changed Al's title under his name twice since this thread has started to something insulting, that can only be done by moderators of this site. Then you have the balls to issue me points?

I thought this was suppose to be a tech only site?

I've come in here and attempted to discuss and argue my points without insults. The moderation here is WORSE than EVOm, atleast there we all get issued points. Here it is only for those you pick and chose.

Let me get one more of these in, "fuck you."

[admin]

If you go back and look, this was nothing but a good thread until, Al came in and ruined it. Then you Dave, jumped in to defend him you could have stayed out of it. Then it all went bad.

17 pages later, its a clusterfuck.

I said I was going to leave it open, until all of you children worked it out. You won't be able to say something rude here and then it gets deleted. No, If you are going to post it it will stay here forever.

I'm not moderating anything,. You children can all work it out yourselves.
Important thing my parents taught me: "If you don't have anything good to say don't say it"

[David Buschur]

I did not jump in to defend Al actually. I jumped in and politely addressed some things. I don't want anything deleted or moderated, don't be confused. The point is this site was started as a tech site and that lasted just long enough to collect some vendor fees. Now the site is exactly like many others, there's no new tech that's been added for months, you can't post any tech about controversial products (cough cough, intake manifolds) and shit slinging is worse here than anyone else. You have moderators changing members titles, that crap is just not right when these same moderators are issueing points. Give me a break.

[David Buschur]

Just for reference, this is the first post I made in this thread and there is nothing in it about Al. Learn to read, I am not Al and Al isn't me:

I read this thread a few days ago and was going to respond in it but since it was started as a thank you for the event I didn't, I didn't want to get a bunch of crap started in it. Since it's trashed at this point I have just a few things to say.

#1, Boostjunki84, the pictures you posted in post #51 clearly show the event was busy, I had not seen those pics and obviously neither did a few supporters of the event because the post after yours or maybe a few after yours said they had never seen them either. Based on your pictures I deleted the comments on our forums about how big the E-town event was. If you look at all the other pictures posted you will see the same thing most of us did, small amounts of people in the stands and staging lanes/pits.

#2, Dennis F, you can't read and you are an ignorant problem starting faggot. Here is what you just posted a few posts up:

"Banning someone from a community event is not selfish? Banning vendors and people who went to the Showdown 09 for the 2010 SO is not selfish?"

NOWHERE have I said anyone is banned, quite the opposite, I said NOBODY is banned and only one guy ever was and that was when Marco and I were at each others throats. Poor move on my part, what's done is done. Fact of the matter is shit was talked at the E-town event as I had customers there who said they were afraid to even leave their cars out in the open over night because of it. Fact is some shops joined together with one thought on their mind, to ruin the DSM/EVO Shootout and make the event at E-town. I can live with that but they will not come to the Shootout and be a vendor for free. In the past I have ALWAYS charged for vendor space, this year was different because of the competing events. Next year is back to normal with the excpetion of people who supported us this year get grandfathered in for free next year. Like it or not, I don't care.

#3, I personally could care less if the two events are on the same day BUT because there are plenty of guys who would like to attend both races, like Al, Mike, Kiggly etc., for their sake, I hope they are not. For me personally, it was a relief to not see people I'd like to see dead in Ohio, they obviously feel the same way about me and it made things much more peaceful. Great for those of us who hate each other.

#4, so it's clear again, I had NOTHING to do with the T-shirts. Actually, that's not true, I did have something to do with them. The guy who designed them had Calvin pissing on Turbo Trix. Mark PM'd me crying about it and asked me to get rid of them. I did contact the guy and ask for him to not put Turbo Trix on the shirt, so he changed them. As you guys said, if you do enough shit to people long enough you can expect that to come around. That is what happened with the shirts, the organizers of the event pissed off a lot of people. It's much bigger than myself, Al, Mike or anyone else who has complained about the events being on the same day. It's obviously about 5,000 people (combined attendance) having a feeling one way or another about the events and who put them on. Same thing with the videos from the hotels with large crowds of people chanting "fuck E-town", the organizers of the E-town event pissed off a lot of people. Take it from me, you piss someone off and act like an asshole, you can expect retaliation!haha I'm experienced in this matter, so believe it! hahaha

Anyway, I could care less about when the E-town event is from a personal opinion but since these races are bigger than just ME..............listen to what the majority of the fans say.

[MORALES RACING]

first of all. al before you started going /working withdave . i remember you had nothing good to say about even talking shit about him when you and pruven were working together. you are a lier and two face. like tuning a guys evo on the dyno and then you putting and using a c02 kit in the guys car WITHOUT telling him and fucking his shit up. then removing it and telling the guy he is going to need a motor. u r very lucky someone has not beat to half to death.

[admin]

Thank you for your opinion David Buschur.

The forums can only be as good as the people who put "good info" into them. Nobody will stop you from posting tech in here it is actually encouraged. But unfortunately, all we have seen lately is sore feelings from both sides making the headlines.

[hal]

Only one guy ever was and that was when Marco and I were at each others throats. Poor move on my part, what's done is done.

Ok, enough is enough.

You know as well as I do that you have in fact banned (at least) THREE people. All for daring to stand up to you.

1) Ken Bacon. Sure, he turned into a douche but that was after you banned him for daring to compete with you by selling FMIC kits put together with off the shelf parts.

2) Does this thread ring a bell - http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?p=24444008#post24444008 You had the maturity to ban someone one (what else does "you're not welcome" mean) because you couldn't bring a class legal car to the track, got caught, and kicked out.

3) You banned Marco because he didn't tuck his tail between his legs when you tried to ruin his business.

So quit lying about "one" and start telling the truth about "three". All banned because they did something to offend YOU.

[danl]

I just received points from danl, one of my biggest haters. This site is a joke.

So let me post this publicly.

Fuck you danl and the boyfriend you road in on. Issue some more prick.

Why must everybody explain themselves to you? For your information lionel.hutz received a point as well for the little name calling/threat incident you guys had yesterday. That was me being fair. You continue to break the rules I will continue to give you points. Speak your mind all you want but don't attack, threaten, or name call members.

Also I had to correct the spelling when quoting you. You may still need things explained. I don't want you claiming I misquoted you, I just fixed the word "publicly" for you. We appreciate that here. I understand this is challenging for you so I'm willing to not issue points this time.

[Al Friedman]

I just want to set the record straight on a few points which are important to me

The Morales Racing guy is 100% Full of shit in just about everything he has claimed which has no merrit.

All this mud slinging is being blamed on my interjection into this thread, however, I feel the blame is misplaced

Back on page 1 - Marco made farly mild comment about 11 second racers "jumping into the DSM Shootout in Ohio" I responded to correct him and assert that the Q16 was filled almost entirely with 9 second cars - except 15 (10.00) and # 16.

At that point there was no insults no name calling and IMHO nothing unacceptable.

What happend next is that some of the regular members on here chimmed in with a lot of vile and profane and abusive remarks which ratched up the tension and obviously provoked a response from myself and others.

Originally I refrained from responding with similar insults out of respect for this board and forum in that I was advised the spirit of this forum was to be "different" and that the typical BS would not be tolerated, etc etc

Notice the warning in the NOTICES section - posted above :

No longer will bashing/fighting between members (vendors or not) be tolerated. We have a PM system here that you can use if you want to call someone names. You WILL be banned if this action persists

Apparently these are empty words.

It seems that you have here 5 or 6 toxic and anrgy haters who have turned this into their personal shit storm and who have no respect for this forum or anyone else. Its a shame as Buschur observed that this forum has turned into what it has now became.

The most amusing part of all this is that it seems the fact that I was able to pursue an education and get a license to practice law is viewed as a negative attribute.

How pathetic some of you really are.

Al

[hal]

Its a shame as Buschur observed that this forum has turned into what it has now became.

His observation is laughable considering the content of his own forums and his actions there.

You've avoided direct answers to numerous questions and provided no constructive input. All you've done is whine about some thing, which based on your actions elsewhere, you actually care little to nothing about.

Every forum makes exceptions to it's own rules for special cases.

I guess this qualifies as one.

[danl]

Al, the blame is not misplaced. Proof, everything was fine until you showed up.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Many members did not want you to post due to your past actions on other boards. They let their feelings felt. You retaliated. You may feel justified in your actions but you are still not right.

[David Buschur]

hal, yes, you are correct, my memory wasn't going back 10 years, I agree with you. I was thinking only about things in this decade and "banned" has only come out of my mouth/typed for Marco and that miserable crook Bacon. I won't ban anyone in the future. There are a lot of people I hope never come to Ohio though. If they chose to though I'll take their money and use it to pay for the track and winnings though! haha So you dicks who don't like me, come and give me your money anyway.

[David Buschur]

BTW, I've attempted to add good tech to these forums. Intake testing I did, I was warned about that subject and it turned to shit. Project White, that one got ugly too if I remember right.

Nobody here is interested in tech, the only time this site even has any action is when there is fighting going on in it. That's what brought me here in the first place, to correct some bullshit. Then I got the speech about how it would be different, paid my vendor fee, provided tech, got warnings for talking about forbidden intake subjects. Tech stopped, crap has continued.

From what I truly see, this site is not only not better than others, it's worse.

Fun to come here and fight and cuss though so atleast I fit in.

[Al Friedman]

Al, the blame is not misplaced. Proof, everything was fine until you showed up.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Many members did not want you to post due to your past actions on other boards. They let their feelings felt. You retaliated. You may feel justified in your actions but you are still not right.


I am not the one who scheduled a competing event on the same day.

No one debated my opinion or voiced a RATIONAL objection to what I was saying.

All that was expressed was profane and abusive insults and noise.

I disagree, everthingwas fine until a small core of bad appels started to act like this is a bar room brawl and spew a lot of nasty crap.

Al

[Al Friedman]

His observation is laughable considering the content of his own forums and his actions there.

You've avoided direct answers to numerous questions and provided no constructive input. All you've done is whine about some thing, which based on your actions elsewhere, you actually care little to nothing about.

Every forum makes exceptions to it's own rules for special cases.

I guess this qualifies as one.

I dont know which questions you are talking about - I feel that all the issues have been addressed fully. Correct me if I missed out some portion of the stupidity.

Al

[hal]

I am not the one who scheduled a competing event on the same day.

You are the one who continues to cry over spilled milk.

Crying because people chose to react to his (and others) actions.

In case you hadn't noticed, peoples actions are often disproportionate to the events to which they are reacting.

Like yours. Lot's of noise, lacking in both substance and personal responsibility.

[danl]

I am not the one who scheduled a competing event on the same day.

No one debated my opinion or voiced a RATIONAL objection to what I was saying.

All that was expressed was profane and abusive insults and noise.

I disagree, everthingwas fine until a small core of bad appels started to act like this is a bar room brawl and spew a lot of nasty crap.

Al


Al, some people didn't like how the shootout was handled in the past. Furthermore some people disagreed with how the organizer of the shootout has been acting these past couple years (for some people longer than that). For those reasons (and other less serious ones) a group of people got together and decided to put on their own event. It is a free country and as a freedom of actions and speech they decided to put it on the same day as somebody's event whom they do not care for. They did this because they are free to do so. They also did this to make a statement which I think they did a good job of proving. You are free to produce and sell an air filter even though HKS produces and sells one. Its competition and competition is good. Don't be a liberal trying to squish free speech and competition.

I would suggest if you are ever in a "bar room brawl" that you exit as quickly as possible. Just because somebody picks a fight with you does not justify any actions you may take.

Furthermore life isn't fair. People have a predisposition to you due to your past actions. You will be treated like you have treated people in the past and on other boards. You made it this way and you must live with what you say and how people now treat you because of what you have to say.

[Al Friedman]

Al, some people didn't like how the shootout was handled in the past. Furthermore some people disagreed with how the organizer of the shootout has been acting these past couple years (for some people longer than that). For those reasons (and other less serious ones) a group of people got together and decided to put on their own event. It is a free country and as a freedom of actions and speech they decided to put it on the same day as somebody's event whom they do not care for. They did this because they are free to do so. They also did this to make a statement which I think they did a good job of proving. You are free to produce and sell an air filter even though HKS produces and sells one. Its competition and competition is good. Don't be a liberal trying to squish free speech and competition.

I would suggest if you are ever in a "bar room brawl" that you exit as quickly as possible. Just because somebody picks a fight with you does not justify any actions you may take.

Furthermore life isn't fair. People have a predisposition to you due to your past actions. You will be treated like you have treated people in the past and on other boards. You made it this way and you must live with what you say and how people now treat you because of what you have to say.


Your commenatry sets forth an excelent and sussinct summary of the thoughts and actions of the malfeasors with a level of eloquence not formerly seen in this thread. Kudos to you.

I agree that the "organizers" were certainly at liberty to move the two race events held at Englishtown - the former Turbo Trix Mitsubishi Day and the WRX vs EVO Shootout into a competing event held the same day as the DSM Shootout.

Just as the "organizers" were free to undertake their plans, I feel I am free to voice objection to the selfish and self serving nature of thier actions and draw attention to the situation.

While what they have accomplished has certainly sent the message to which you make reference, it has also had the perhaps unintended consequence of further dividing the community and harming the sport of racing.

I have no problems in dealing with the consequences of my actions based upon what I have said and feel there is nothing that could be more fair than that.

This kind of nonsense is far from a "bar room brawl", lets face it most of the people who are shooting off their mouths have never won any of these races and never accomplished much in motorsports what so ever. I call it envious and jealous energy. Its always humeorus when people who can't win an argument on an intelctual level then resort to calling people crude names and making threats of physical violence they have no intention of carrying out.

Al

[danl]

Al you are free to say what you want. However you do not own this board and because of that you have to play by the rules of this board.

I have attended both events in question. In my opinion the englishtown event brought the community together in a way that I have not seen at any of the 4 shootouts I have attended. I have never seen such a light joyful atmosphere in the pit area. The shootout was very political the last time I attended. Furthermore it is swarmed by teenagers and college kids which is fine, but some people like a more adult atmosphere.

Accomplishments in motorsports? Will I see your car before or after the Pro Stock cars on TV tomorrow? This is the same reason I have been so hard on Dave and his choice to run a very illegally prepped evo. It is very unprofessional. Track owners and series sponsors see us as a bunch of outlaw bandits when such a car makes passes. Who would want to sponsor a race let alone a series for cars like that. That hurts the community as you put it.

Sometimes the little guys get to work with real motorsports teams like Wilson Manifolds. I think we all saw how that worked out. That was really unfortunate that Wilson Manifolds first experience in the evo/mitsu world was such a negative one for them because of the professionalism they saw. We were probably looking at a lot of good parts coming down the road but we will never see them now. Again that hurts the community as you put it.

When somebody comes up with a competing product or a better way of doing things this is good for the community. Competition is always good. However some people try to immediately squash any new competing product or idea. Competition is bad for you if you own a business selling a similar product. Trying to deface the product or the company that produces it and/or trying to outright drive that business into the ground is also not good for the community. People have been sick of this for some time and this really drives the community apart.

[hal]

I feel I am free to voice objection to the selfish and self serving nature of thier actions and draw attention to the situation.

Have you looked into the mirror lately?

Your posting in this thread is nothing but self serving conduct on your own part.

As Dave's #1 nut swinger, your conduct makes you just a culpable as anyone else involved.

"Me thinks thou dost protest too much"
-Shakespeare

[Turbotrix Racing]

While what they have accomplished has certainly sent the message to which you make reference, it has also had the perhaps unintended consequence of further dividing the community and harming the sport of racing.

Al


Someone should call John Brown of NSCRA at tell him that by putting his import event in Florida on the same day as E-towns Spring Nationals in New Jersey this year he further divided the import community and harmed the sport of drag racing. :rolleyes:


Keith

[Al Friedman]

Have you looked into the mirror lately?

Your posting in this thread is nothing but self serving conduct on your own part.

As Dave's #1 nut swinger, your conduct makes you just a culpable as anyone else involved.

"Me thinks thou dost protest too much"
-Shakespeare

My only objective is to try and assure that next year the events are on different days so that I can attend all of the events and anyone else so inclined can also attend all the events.

The way this sport is going each year there are fewer and fewer races to run these kind of cars.

Al

[danl]

Al, the ball is in your court. If you and the organizer of the ohio shootout can keep the drama low then nobody will have a reason to express their rights. If another shitfest or bickering like this continues, then people will continue to want to express their rights. People have a right to do what they did and I presume they will continue to do so if provoked.

[MikeRizz]

My only objective is to try and assure that next year the events are on different days so that I can attend all of the events and anyone else so inclined can also attend all the events.

The way this sport is going each year there are fewer and fewer races to run these kind of cars.

Al

Al, if that is truely your goal then let me make a suggestion, let it die and stop going in threads where you really don't belong. I believe at this point they will be on different days ( I hope so ) and I will be attending both.

[hal]

The way this sport is going each year there are fewer and fewer races to run these kind of cars.

... and you fail to see that conduct like you've exhibited (see youtube) as well as the conduct of others turn people away.

It hurts business and it hurts the sport. Both from an image view point as well as from a financial aspect.

It's childish, divisive, and shameful.

What happened this year is a direct fall out of peoples past conduct.

So, instead of whining, why don't you pick up the phone and contact some event sponsors and/or track managers. Start asking what YOU can do to help grow things instead of acting like a 12 year old on youtube.

[danl]

I agree Hal.

[David Buschur]

danl, you should not speak about things you know nothing at all about, this is in reference to your post about Wilson and what you think went on.

hal, there you go again with Al and nuthugging me. Can't you make a point about him without including me and visa-versa?

[David Buschur]

I am not laying low or acting in any special manner to keep the two events from happening on the same day. Our event has been scheduled for 4 months for the 2010 date already. If anyone wants an event on the same day again, go for it. It didn't hurt attendance this year, I'm not kissing anyone's ass to keep it from happening.

I think TT has made it quite clear already they intend to do their race "in cooler weather". To me that sounds like it is a done deal already to be on different dates. I don't know why the fuck ANYONE is still discussing it.

[danl]

Please do set the record straight on the Wilson Manifolds ordeal. All I know is that you are struggling to make the same ET's as last year when you were running them. All the posts that I try to find on evom about the subject have conveniently been edited or deleted. You have the floor, educate us.

[danl]

Dave, I was wondering how long it is going to take for you to formulate your response to make yourself look like the victim?

[David Buschur]

danl, if anything has been taken off of EVOM it wasn't requested by me, that's for sure.

I see no need to go back through the entire Wilson ordeal, it's posted here too on this site if I remember correctly. The point is YOU DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT ANY OF IT and should keep your fucking mouth shut since you don't. That is the actual point.

[Al Friedman]

Dave, I was wondering how long it is going to take for you to formulate your response to make yourself look like the victim?

I dont think that David owes any explanation to anyone.

Last time I counted the score card - his street driven (genuine bonda fide street driven Evo 8) went 9.1 @ 158 in near 100 degree weather at the shootout. Results speak volumes. I really have not seen anyone else with a full OEM bodied, fully equiped Evo 8 approach that kind of result.

As to the meat of the matter who cares who is the victim and who isn't? What difference does it make?

Al

[danl]

Dave, I never claimed to know anything about the Wilson Manifold ordeal. Quite the opposite actually as I was actually hoping you could explain it to me. Or course you had nothing to do with the posts being deleted/edited on evom, but that still doesn't help me as I can't find any posts regarding it. Keep dodging the direct question.

Al, thanks for jumping in to stand up for Dave. Maybe you can explain to me what happened between Wilson Manifolds and Dave?

[Al Friedman]

Dave, I never claimed to know anything about the Wilson Manifold ordeal. Quite the opposite actually as I was actually hoping you could explain it to me. Or course you had nothing to do with the posts being deleted/edited on evom, but that still doesn't help me as I can't find any posts regarding it. Keep dodging the direct question.

Al, thanks for jumping in to stand up for Dave. Maybe you can explain to me what happened between Wilson Manifolds and Dave?

I really don't think it was a big deal actually. As David said its not really worth wasting all the time to get into the details.

From what I gathered Wilson used to make some modified stock evo 8 intake manifolds which cost a crap load of money and which seemed in some instances to perform fairly well.

Personally, I think the whole concept of a modified stock intake manifold is bestg suited to a racing class which requires a stock intake. In that case, being able to modify the stock intake and make the same kind of power you can on a sheet metal or aftermarket intake would be a huge advantage while staying within the "stock apperaing" class.

Since in the Evo world there really is no stock intake class that I am aware of its not really a significant niche.

In the case of the Wilson product its very highly priced.

When compared to the excelent new cast offerings from Magnus and AMS which cost 1/2 of the Wilson and appear to work just as good or better, it makes one wonder if the additional cost is worth while.

[danl]

I am taking it that the whole Wilson Manifolds ordeal is a little embarrassing and that is why you or Dave don't want to discuss it. You are slowly trying to change the subject. I was just wondering why Buschur Racing no longer sells Wilson Manifolds.

[Al Friedman]

I am taking it that the whole Wilson Manifolds ordeal is a little embarrassing and that is why you or Dave don't want to discuss it. You are slowly trying to change the subject. I was just wondering why Buschur Racing no longer sells Wilson Manifolds.

I disagree with your suggestion. I think the whole Wilson Manifolds "ordeal" is just a non issue and of not enough importance to really waste any time to rehash. I think you are the one who is trying to change subjects here as the original topic was Marco's remark about the DSM Shootout Q16 class being "annoying" becuase 11 second cars keep "jumping in" (or something to that effect) and my response to set the record staright that it was almost entirely a 9 second field - no need to worry about 11 second cars in Ohio.

The only point I will note about the Wilson Manifold is that since David stopped selling them and promoting them I have not seen one of them on any cars turning up at my facility to be tuned - although that may have more to do with the influx of great, well priced cast intake manifolds from many sources such as Magnus, AMS and Skunk 2 for example which all are priced much lower than the Wilson offering.

Al

[Turbotrix Racing]

Last time I counted the score card - his street driven (genuine bonda fide street driven Evo 8) went 9.1 @ 158 in near 100 degree weather at the shootout. Results speak volumes. I really have not seen anyone else with a full OEM bodied, fully equiped Evo 8 approach that kind of result.


Al

http://www.evo-tech.net/forums/showthread.php?t=679

Care to recount your score card?


Keith

[Dennis F]

I disagree with your suggestion.

You disagree with everyone in here except Dave, always.

All you are doing is going on and on like a school girl. Shut the fuck up and take your licks bro.

Five thousand people came out that weekend. That is not dividing the community, that is bringing more people together.

Now, chill out and eat some more pizza rolls

[SonySlave]

I dont think that David owes any explanation to anyone.

Last time I counted the score card - his street driven (genuine bonda fide street driven Evo 8) went 9.1 @ 158 in near 100 degree weather at the shootout. Results speak volumes. I really have not seen anyone else with a full OEM bodied, fully equiped Evo 8 approach that kind of result.

As to the meat of the matter who cares who is the victim and who isn't? What difference does it make?

Al

http://www.evo-tech.net/forums/showthread.php?t=679

Care to recount your score card?


Keith

Not to get into this argument, especially since I'm just a lowly 11sec 1G racer from Washington State, but personally, I don't feel that either of these cars should be given any credit at all. I respect the hell out of the accomplishments both cars have made and I'd love to be that fast, but I feel that any car that does not meet the proper safety regulations should not be given credit for their accomplishments.

Maybe I'm alone on this... It's just MY opinion. But who am I, right?

[Mr. Moose]

I dont think that David owes any explanation to anyone. Last time I counted the score card - his street driven (genuine bonda fide street driven Evo 8) went 9.1 @ 158 in near 100 degree weather at the shootout. Results speak volumes. I really have not seen anyone else with a full OEM bodied, fully equiped Evo 8 approach that kind of result.
Al

Perhaps in your haste to respond you forgot 9sec9's full street bodied and equipped car (with proper safety equipment) which ran a 9.2 during its first testing with the 3586HTA and WILSON manifold. Just wanted to make sure your scorecard was accurate. BTW, did you ever go 9.2 or better in all the years you've been racing?

And BTW, the Wilsons cost quite a bit more when Buschur Racing had the exclusive rights to distribute. Now, they're $935, and available on 9sec9's web site. That's in the same price range as the cast Magnus, and other similar aftermarket manifolds.

[Mr. Moose]

I disagree with your suggestion...

The only point I will note about the Wilson Manifold is that since David stopped selling them and promoting them I have not seen one of them on any cars turning up at my facility to be tuned - although that may have more to do with the influx of great, well priced cast intake manifolds from many sources such as Magnus, AMS and Skunk 2 for example which all are priced much lower than the Wilson offering.

Al

How many of those AMS cast manifolds have you seen on on cars at your facility to be tuned? ;)

[David Buschur]

Neither the link posted by Al nor Tom's car are like my RS, actually. I am not taking anything away from either but only pointing out not like my RS.

Tom's car didn't run 9.2's on the HTA86, that was on our FS635, still ran 9.2's first time out just clarifying turbos.

Yes, the Wilson was a lot more expensive when I was selling them, I was buying them through Indy at $1355 each if my memory serves me correctly, we sold them at $1550. We also did the testing for them, I don't think $200 is much profit on a $1550 sale, CC fees eat up 3% of that, figure it out.

I also went an searched on EVOm and I sent back in my subscriptions to November of last year, seems you are right danl, all of that stuff has been removed.

[Al Friedman]

Keith - here is my score card my friend. Drag RACING is about having the skill to drive, perform under pressure and manage your equipment so that the car does not break until the final.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g316/DynoFlash_Evo_8/IMGA0955-1.jpg

I made it to the final and ran the car flat out down the track.

Thats how I keep score in drag racing.

Al

[Al Friedman]

How many of those AMS cast manifolds have you seen on on cars at your facility to be tuned? ;)

After the lengthy delay to start getting them delivered I am seeing them come in quite regularly, they seem very popular.

Al

[Turbotrix Racing]

Keith - here is my score card my friend. Drag RACING is about having the skill to drive, perform under pressure and manage your equipment so that the car does not break until the final.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g316/DynoFlash_Evo_8/IMGA0955-1.jpg

I made it to the final and ran the car flat out down the track.

Thats how I keep score in drag racing.

Al

Good for you Al but I don't remember mentioning your car at all. :confused: Here is our scorecard:

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll247/Bean4g63/0831091252.jpg

You really seem to like to bring up your accomplishments over and over. Jeff and I have won countless trophy's. We have also both won the heads up class and the bracket class in the same day. You don't see us bringing this up every other day on multiple forums like you do.

Keith

[Aaron@English]

OOOHHH Our E-Peen is bigger :rolleyes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/Hurrikain/Evolution/P1010535.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/Hurrikain/Evolution/P1010536.jpg

The Sacremento BOTI this year was at 33psi and still ran 151.

Jesus, Al stop already.

[Dennis F]

Sadly, that asswipe spends much of his time crying to moderators and trying to get threads locked and deleted

^^Definition of a hypocrite^^

http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/WXDhSmxGXk0/default.jpg

I want to race two events waaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!! I am going to call the NHRA waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!! I am going to call English town waaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!

:fuckyou:

[hal]

Come on, we all know you're nobody unless you have your own you-tube channel chock full of "bro-vids".

The epitome of professionalism and maturity!

[MORALES RACING]

I just want to set the record straight on a few points which are important to me

The Morales Racing guy is 100% Full of shit in just about everything he has claimed which has no merrit.

All this mud slinging is being blamed on my interjection into this thread, however, I feel the blame is misplaced

Back on page 1 - Marco made farly mild comment about 11 second racers "jumping into the DSM Shootout in Ohio" I responded to correct him and assert that the Q16 was filled almost entirely with 9 second cars - except 15 (10.00) and # 16.

At that point there was no insults no name calling and IMHO nothing unacceptable.

What happend next is that some of the regular members on here chimmed in with a lot of vile and profane and abusive remarks which ratched up the tension and obviously provoked a response from myself and others.

Originally I refrained from responding with similar insults out of respect for this board and forum in that I was advised the spirit of this forum was to be "different" and that the typical BS would not be tolerated, etc etc

Notice the warning in the NOTICES section - posted above :

No longer will bashing/fighting between members (vendors or not) be tolerated. We have a PM system here that you can use if you want to call someone names. You WILL be banned if this action persists

Apparently these are empty words.

It seems that you have here 5 or 6 toxic and anrgy haters who have turned this into their personal shit storm and who have no respect for this forum or anyone else. Its a shame as Buschur observed that this forum has turned into what it has now became.

The most amusing part of all this is that it seems the fact that I was able to pursue an education and get a license to practice law is viewed as a negative attribute.

How pathetic some of you really are.

Al
listin you fuck face, i am 100% right. i have been in this/around this business for over 10 years and dont need to lie about shit and next time your ass is going to e-town let me, so you can see my face and call me a lier. its funny bc when i called you guys out on this at the shop none of you would back into the sells floor. you are crook

[Turbotrix Racing]

OOOHHH Our E-Peen is bigger :rolleyes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/Hurrikain/Evolution/P1010535.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/Hurrikain/Evolution/P1010536.jpg

The Sacremento BOTI this year was at 33psi and still ran 151.

Jesus, Al stop already.


That is a handsome trophy!!

Keith

[eclipsed4speed]

That is a handsome trophy!!

Keith

I like the pelvic thrusting star myself Keith, Jeff

[Turbotrix Racing]

I like the pelvic thrusting star myself Keith, Jeff

HAHA!!! I just looked at that again. Thats my new favorite!

[Lucas English]

Here is a little vid I made of the only place to be on Aug 16th 2009 :)

My guy did not get everyone passes so sorry if I missed your best runs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDq53CncsWI

[xspsi4]

"al friedman, bros, brotune, dochebag, dynoflash" wtf? lol